Dark blade vs lightning blade?

[Deadoon]

Sort of an odd thing I noticed with my character is that dark blade increases my ar by 115 with 10 int 30 faith, while lightning is not much better at 128.

I am really thinking that the extra 15 fp cost is not worth it for a mere 13 extra ar. With my 30 faith and 18 attunement I can cast great heal twice, or 1 time and dark blade twice, which is great as a practically free set of extra heals/buffs.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

What Talisman are you using? MAG ADJUST is a big factor here.

Darkmoon Blade is 170AR with 40FTH and a Canvas Talisman+9

[Deadoon]

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

What Talisman are you using. MAG ADJUST is a big factor here.

Using canvas one(+6, still going through game with this character), as all the others provide far less adjust, also it is same talisman with both.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Originally posted by Deadoon:

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

What Talisman are you using. MAG ADJUST is a big factor here.

Using canvas one(+6, still going through game with this character), as all the others provide far less adjust, also it is same talisman with both.

Lightning and Darkmoon blade start to pull away at higher Magic Adjusts. If you have 50+ FTH the Saint's Talisman will be even better.

I should point out, I'm talking about DarkMOON blade no Dark Blade right now. Darkmoon and Lightning Blade have the same ATK adjust, though I think Darkmoon Blade gets some bonus damage or simply ignores certain defenses as the actual damage increase is quite large. (Maybe it's tied to Darkmoon rank like DS1's Darkmoon Blade miracle?)

[Deadoon]

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

Originally posted by Deadoon:

Using canvas one(+6, still going through game with this character), as all the others provide far less adjust, also it is same talisman with both.

Lightning and Darkmoon blade start to pull away at higher Magic Adjusts. If you have 50+ FTH the Saint's Talisman will be even better.

Can you check the ar boost from the dark blade(not darkmoon) then, as it seems from the base level testing that it provides not that much of a boost for a higher cost.

Wait, found the thing on fextra, darkmoon/lightning are 95 or 96* (spellbuff/100), while dark blade is 85. I don't think the 11% more damage boost is worth the 40% more cost.

[Sticky White Stuff]

I think Cleric's Sacred Chime is the best for 30 FTH. Darkmoon does magic damage, Lighting does lighting damage. I am also using Dark Blade, haven't tested how much the other buffs do at 30 FTH with a +10 talisman 142 spell buff.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Originally posted by Deadoon:

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

Lightning and Darkmoon blade start to pull away at higher Magic Adjusts. If you have 50+ FTH the Saint's Talisman will be even better.

Can you check the ar boost from the dark blade(not darkmoon) then, as it seems from the base level testing that it provides not that much of a boost for a higher cost.

Wait, found the thing on fextra, darkmoon/lightning are 95 or 96* (spellbuff/100), while dark blade is 85. I don't think the 11% more damage boost is worth the 40% more cost.

That 11% can often be the difference between killing mobs before your stamina drops, or having to roll away and risk another engagement. Trust me when I say, if you are theorycrafting off numbers and not practical use, you're only getting 1/4 of the story.

[Deadoon]

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

Originally posted by Deadoon:

Can you check the ar boost from the dark blade(not darkmoon) then, as it seems from the base level testing that it provides not that much of a boost for a higher cost.

Wait, found the thing on fextra, darkmoon/lightning are 95 or 96* (spellbuff/100), while dark blade is 85. I don't think the 11% more damage boost is worth the 40% more cost.

That 11% can often be the difference between killing mobs before your stamina drops, or having to roll away and risk another engagement. Trust me when I say, if you are theorycrafting off numbers and not practical use, you're only getting 1/4 of the story.

My thing was about using a buff that works as an assist to melee combat primarily, so I was going off of something that is sustainable(the stats in the op are pretty low but allows for 2 buffs+a great heal per ashtus).

Also it is kind of a rant on how you cannot even case 3 spells at 18 attunement if they are decently high cost ones, yet you have 3 slots.

The amount of FP you have to cast spells is pitiful, and the more I invest in this hybrid character, the more I feel i am not getting very much returns from those investments compared to a pure melee character.

[Herbalacious]

I went thru the same thing the OP did right after picking up lightning blade. I couldn't cast my 3 buffs without using an estus at 18att. 19 works tho lol. I'll prolly have to bring att to 24 to be able to use all the miracles I want and not feel gimped by fp.