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Questions about the Lore? [SPOILERS!!]
Hey guys, so I've finished the game and started studying the lore to understand whats going on this time.

From what I saw, its taking place after what happened in Dark Souls 1 and alot more years ahead, but does Dark Souls 2 have something to do with the lore? I only saw some references like the alva set and the dead giant above Firelink Shrine.

In Dark Souls 1 its a never ending cycle where Gwyn gave his soul to the Primordial Bonfire, then the Chosen Undead came and took his place, then another Chosen Undead arise after that? We saw Gwyn but there was aready others souls inside him starting to transform into the Soul of Cinder?

Back to Dark Souls 3, why the character is an Unkindled and not an Undead? Whats the difference? The Hollowing process is different now in the lore too? How come?
(I though it got no sense that the mad invaders was just like the undeads who grow hollow and now they're called something different)

About the lords of Cinder, why four of then left their thrones and only Ludleth stood there? Did they tried to avoid their destiny as fuel to the fire?

Why those five lords are necessary by the way? Its some kind of key ritual to send the Ashen One to the First Flame?

Thank you!
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Necro 2016 年 4 月 29 日 上午 7:46 
My theory on the Unkindled is that they are "modified" undead meant to become a Lord of Cinder. At the beginning of the game the player character will rise from a grave after the bell tower rings. The game states that the Lords rise at the ringing of the bell. The firekeeper even states that we are meant to be containers for souls. The other Lords of Cinder clearly dont want to link the fire again (or maybe they cannot so they left), hence why the unkindled appear; to take the souls of the lords, become a Lord him/herself, and link the fire once again. Ludleth being the ony Lord to stay at his throne because he had no where to return to (his title is Ludleth the Exiled).

If anyone would like to proof me wrong go ahead, this is just a theory I came up with on my own without looking at every aspect of the lore.
最後修改者:Necro; 2016 年 4 月 29 日 上午 7:49
I'm very curious to know more.

引用自 Necro
My theory on the Unkindled is that they are "modified" undead meant to become a Lord of Cinder. At the beginning of the game the player character will rise from a grave after the bell tower rings. The game states that the Lords rise at the ringing of the bell. The firekeeper even states that we are meant to be containers for souls. The other Lords of Cinder clearly dont want to link the fire again (or maybe they cannot so they left), hence why the unkindled appear; to take the souls of the lords, become a Lord him/herself, and link the fire once again. Ludleth being the ony Lord to stay at his throne because he had no where to return to (his title is Ludleth the Exiled).

If anyone would like to proof me wrong go ahead, this is just a theory I came up with on my own without looking at every aspect of the lore.
So you're saying that the Unkindled only came to exist because four lords didnt wanted link the fire? And why all of then at once, do they need a huge amount of souls to fuel the Primordial Bonfire?
Schrödingers Katze 2016 年 4 月 29 日 上午 8:04 
引用自 Foghart
I'm very curious to know more.

引用自 Necro
My theory on the Unkindled is that they are "modified" undead meant to become a Lord of Cinder. At the beginning of the game the player character will rise from a grave after the bell tower rings. The game states that the Lords rise at the ringing of the bell. The firekeeper even states that we are meant to be containers for souls. The other Lords of Cinder clearly dont want to link the fire again (or maybe they cannot so they left), hence why the unkindled appear; to take the souls of the lords, become a Lord him/herself, and link the fire once again. Ludleth being the ony Lord to stay at his throne because he had no where to return to (his title is Ludleth the Exiled).

If anyone would like to proof me wrong go ahead, this is just a theory I came up with on my own without looking at every aspect of the lore.
So you're saying that the Unkindled only came to exist because four lords didnt wanted link the fire? And why all of then at once, do they need a huge amount of souls to fuel the Primordial Bonfire?

Well, Gwyn was the first to link the fire and his soul was merged with the Lord-Soul he got, which in itself is immensly powerfull from the get-go so I guess in this moment some kind of parameter was set on how powerfull a soul had to be in order to be "good" fuel for the flame and keep it going. As for why there are five Lords of Cinder, my best take would be that only together, they would reach the level of Gwyn, thus being able to re-kindle the flame.
Spork Of Justice 2016 年 4 月 29 日 上午 8:05 
CAUTION: Conjecture ahead.
From what I understand, Unkindled are different from other Undead since they rose from their graves, as apposed to getting the Darksign while they lived. As such, the Lords of Cinder themselves are like the Unkindled since they rose from the grave as well. They should have been burnt to ash when they linked the flame, but now they're somehow back. As to why Ludleth is still there, I heard someone conjecture that he was the most recent and therefore hasn't gone insane. Prince Loric just refused to go link the flame in the first place, so he was never at Firelink. As to why we need 5 (or actually 6 if you count the PC), I think it's because the world has gone so far into the tank that you need so much power to resurrect the flame.
引用自 Spork Of Justice
CAUTION: Conjecture ahead.
From what I understand, Unkindled are different from other Undead since they rose from their graves, as apposed to getting the Darksign while they lived.
The Unkindled emerged so he can be used as a vessel to carry all of the lord's souls to the fire but why does he have the Darksign as well? I though the "Darksign brands the undead" and only then.
最後修改者:Haze (twitch.tv/HazeHowlingwolf); 2016 年 4 月 29 日 上午 8:46
Rezonus 2016 年 4 月 29 日 上午 8:51 
引用自 Necro
Ludleth being the ony Lord to stay at his throne because he had no where to return to (his title is Ludleth the Exiled).
引用自 Spork Of Justice
CAUTION: Conjecture ahead.
As to why Ludleth is still there, I heard someone conjecture that he was the most recent and therefore hasn't gone insane.
Are we ignoring the fact that Ludleth physically can't leave from where he is? He has no legs.
最後修改者:Rezonus; 2016 年 4 月 29 日 上午 8:51
A.J 2016 年 4 月 29 日 上午 8:53 
引用自 Rezonus
引用自 Necro
Ludleth being the ony Lord to stay at his throne because he had no where to return to (his title is Ludleth the Exiled).
引用自 Spork Of Justice
CAUTION: Conjecture ahead.
As to why Ludleth is still there, I heard someone conjecture that he was the most recent and therefore hasn't gone insane.
Are we ignoring the fact that Ludleth physically can't leave from where he is? He has no legs.

Magic. Young Prince Lothric teleports around. So can Ludleth.
I've watched the opening again and theres more things I didn't understand. (christ this lore is complex)

It said that the lords came from their graves, so its fact that they died before.
"When the link of fire is threatened, the bell tolls, unearthing the old Lords of Cinder from their graves" <= so Ludleth, Aldrich, Yhorm, the entire Legion and Lothric has already sacrificed thenselves to the Primordial Flame before?
If thats right, they've left their thrones (God knows why and I wanna know), for that the Unkindled rises. But the cinematic said that the Unkindled is an "accursed Undeads, unfit even to be cinder", so he need to grab all 5 lord souls to himself and travel to the First Flame... if I'm wrong somewhere please tell me.

EDIT: Wait up, if the old lords of Cinder did sacrificed themselves to the flame, that means they had to be inside the Soul of Cinder in the fight..... Ahhhhhh I'm getting lost here
最後修改者:Haze (twitch.tv/HazeHowlingwolf); 2016 年 4 月 29 日 上午 9:04
TheBlueFox 2016 年 4 月 29 日 上午 9:11 
Unkindled ARE undead, they bear the darksign.

What makes them different is that they were already fully dead, and arose, as opposed to just becoming hollow.

Their job is to confront the lord of cinders and "Convince" them to return to their throne, by force if necessary, but we are but lowly undead and not fit to be a lord of cinder ourselves. What drives us is the desire for the warmth of the flame, for we have none of our own, we can only borrow the strength of an ember and it is lost to us when we fall in battle.
76561198006416723 2016 年 4 月 29 日 上午 9:11 
there's no lore, only embers


see, it's simple
引用自 TheBlueFox
Unkindled ARE undead, they bear the darksign.

What makes them different is that they were already fully dead, and arose, as opposed to just becoming hollow.

Their job is to confront the lord of cinders and "Convince" them to return to their throne, by force if necessary, but we are but lowly undead and not fit to be a lord of cinder ourselves. What drives us is the desire for the warmth of the flame, for we have none of our own, we can only borrow the strength of an ember and it is lost to us when we fall in battle.

Let me get this straight then:
The flame starts to fade...
The bell tolls...
The five old lords of Cinder awakened... (still trying to understand why then and what they have to do with the fire if they we're dead already)
Four old lords leave their thrones...
Without lords the Unkindled rises and try to gather all five together...
The Firekeeper turn then to embers and give all to the Ashen One...
Ashen One defeat the Soul of Cinder...
Ashen One become worthy to link the fire?
TheBlueFox 2016 年 4 月 29 日 上午 9:28 
Its not fully certain what the lords of cinder DO, but it is referred to as a sacrifice. I assume they use their souls to continually kindle the flame, burning themselves as fuel for it, much like Gwyn with linking the flames.
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