Dark Souls 3 Lore Discussion and Theories

[kingfiction96]

Hey everyone,

I created this thread for anyone interested in discussing the lore of From Softwares's Dark Souls 3. This can range from the History of Lothric, the connections between the Current Lords of Cinder and the past Lords of Cinder.

[Gian]

GWYONDOLIN F***ED PRISCILA, the rest is fan service

[kingfiction96]

Originally posted by Jackdaw:

GWYONDOLIN F***ED PRISCILA, the rest is fan service

No, you've doomed us all. Cue the memes.

[Alamaut]

Well the First Flame seems to work exactly like the Shards of the Abyss, or the Pygmy's Dark Soul. The First Flame started to fragment between people just like Manus' soul did. However, I think that the central message of the game, or the metanarrative is that immortality brings darkness. That if cycles are not put to a stop, creatures and people will eventually turn corrupt and the world will simply continously decay. It has a very Romantic vibe to it. Clearly, from Dark Souls I to Dark Souls III, we can see how the world has decayed and it is clear that numerous cycles of kindling the flames have gone on since then. The Age of Dark seems to be the answer, that kindles humanity and brings back the Golden Age, because if they keep linking the fire, things don't seem to get better, they only seem to be 'preserved'.

[Torkel]

here's my theorie about yorshka.

yorshka
she say the same thing (father gwyn and sister gwenevere) that gwyndolin did back in DS1 while joining his covenant.

it might be a sort of tradition, due to the covenant, or it might be something more family related.

some could think that seath was able to have a child which is priscilla, but when we met seath in DS1, his research turned him mad so i dont think he could, at a point had a second child.

Another point i want to underline, priscilla was a giantess, i believe because she might(i do believe so but not everyone do) be seath+gwenevere daughter so as a half daughter of a lord, she got a part of his power and her size.

Now if we take a look a yorshka, she is quiet similar to priscilla actually, she has scales, a tail and she has a very white skin. but unlike priscilla, she is small and she seems to be really weak (look a her arms and face).

At this point, nothing let us think she could be related directly with seath.

An hypothesis about her frail apearance could be that she is gwyndolin daughter(he is a male and is born disformed with womanly trait) and her dragon part could be that her mother would be priscilla. this way we would have.

-the father: gwyndolin
that give us a reason about her appearance and her link with the darkmoon covenant.

-the mother: priscilla giving at this point a reason about yorshka half dragonic appearance(+white skin and same tail as priscilla)

then i'll give some further information that can hold my point, in DS1, gwyndolin is the last god living in anor londo but a few meters away from his father's tomb lay the painted world of ariamis in wich priscilla has been exiled/locked away.

maybe something could have happened beetween ds1 and before ds3 setting priscilla off the painted world where she met gwyndolin in anor londo.(both of them lived in almost total reclusion because of the other gods)

and to apply my Gwyndolin+priscilla shipping i will tell you that when you kill Aldrich(devourer of gods who has the gwyndolin's body cause he ♥♥♥♥♥♥' ate him) he drop his soul and it unlock you 2 souls transposition.

the first one is the gwyndolin's bow and the second one (you see it coming right?) if the lifehunt spell which was the reason priscilla got locked up in the painted world, cause she was the only one to own such a power able to harm the gods(lords) themselves.

we can deduce at this point that Aldrich not only ate gwyndolin, but also priscilla. did he crossed the ariamis's painted world to find her? did the painted world hold a few thousand year left alone without any one to prevent him from being "broken" or did aldrich found her because she was with gwyndolin, living at his side on the remain of anor londo.

take a last look at the lifehunt spell. it says "Aldrich dreamt as he slowly devoured the God of the Darkmoon. In this dream, he perceived the form of a young, pale girl in hiding"

this is my last point. Aldrich, as he devoured gwyndolin saw a young pale girl, hiding. i dont know what you think about it but I, think he perceived the last thougt of gwyndolin, aimed to his beloved daughter, Yorshka.

[kingfiction96]

Originally posted by spectre:

here's my theorie about yorshka.

yorshka
she say the same thing (father gwyn and sister gwenevere) that gwyndolin did back in DS1 while joining his covenant.

it might be a sort of tradition, due to the covenant, or it might be something more family related.

some could think that seath was able to have a child which is priscilla, but when we met seath in DS1, his research turned him mad so i dont think he could, at a point had a second child.

Another point i want to underline, priscilla was a giantess, i believe because she might(i do believe so but not everyone do) be seath+gwenevere daughter so as a half daughter of a lord, she got a part of his power and her size.

Now if we take a look a yorshka, she is quiet similar to priscilla actually, she has scales, a tail and she has a very white skin. but unlike priscilla, she is small and she seems to be really weak (look a her arms and face).

At this point, nothing let us think she could be related directly with seath.

An hypothesis about her frail apearance could be that she is gwyndolin daughter(he is a male and is born disformed with womanly trait) and her dragon part could be that her mother would be priscilla. this way we would have.

-the father: gwyndolin
that give us a reason about her appearance and her link with the darkmoon covenant.

-the mother: priscilla giving at this point a reason about yorshka half dragonic appearance(+white skin and same tail as priscilla)

then i'll give some further information that can hold my point, in DS1, gwyndolin is the last god living in anor londo but a few meters away from his father's tomb lay the painted world of ariamis in wich priscilla has been exiled/locked away.

maybe something could have happened beetween ds1 and before ds3 setting priscilla off the painted world where she met gwyndolin in anor londo.(both of them lived in almost total reclusion because of the other gods)

and to apply my Gwyndolin+priscilla shipping i will tell you that when you kill Aldrich(devourer of gods who has the gwyndolin's body cause he ♥♥♥♥♥♥' ate him) he drop his soul and it unlock you 2 souls transposition.

the first one is the gwyndolin's bow and the second one (you see it coming right?) if the lifehunt spell which was the reason priscilla got locked up in the painted world, cause she was the only one to own such a power able to harm the gods(lords) themselves.

we can deduce at this point that Aldrich not only ate gwyndolin, but also priscilla. did he crossed the ariamis's painted world to find her? did the painted world hold a few thousand year left alone without any one to prevent him from being "broken" or did aldrich found her because she was with gwyndolin, living at his side on the remain of anor londo.

take a last look at the lifehunt spell. it says "Aldrich dreamt as he slowly devoured the God of the Darkmoon. In this dream, he perceived the form of a young, pale girl in hiding"

this is my last point. Aldrich, as he devoured gwyndolin saw a young pale girl, hiding. i dont know what you think about it but I, think he perceived the last thougt of gwyndolin, aimed to his beloved daughter, Yorshka.

I've considered that Aldrich is the Chosen Undead from DS1, since he Devoured Dieties and seems to have a connection to the Deep(Possibly the Abyss)

I also believe that The Dancer of the Boreal Valley is the Lord's Blade Ciaran, Perhap's the Pontiff Sulyvhan Found Ciaran's Soul or Armour and Weapons and binded them to a cursed knight's Soul and created an armoured beast.

[Torkel]

i dont really feel like we sould take in consideration what happened in ds1 because some parts are invalid, like the last boss, it says that it is the first lord of cinder, which is gwyn. if what happened in DS1 had been taken as granted, he shouldnt be there, because the chosen undead kill him, wether to link the flame, or let it fade. like in DS1, i think we should think about the world as a world revolving around us, because there is as many world that there are unkindled/chosen undead. in my opinion, i think we should think about the DS3 story as if DS1 never happened. it would be too hard to build a lore speculation if DS1 happened because the lore lay on what did the character do after DS1, yet, if we take gwyndolin or priscilla, you may have killed them or not back in DS1 yet in DS3 Gwyndolin was still alive until Aldrich killed him.

your theorie is not bad and i really like the part about Ciaran, and that's true that i didnt saw the dancer as Ciaran even though we can see some similarity. the Dancer weapons are dealing physical, magic and fire damage while ciaran tracers were dealing physical and physical+ toxic damage(aux effect for the silver tracer). so i dont think ciaran is the dancer but maybe you're right, and the dancer was based on Ciaran.

i dont want to assume too much about irithyll stuff because i still dont understand everything about that part, i'll try to figure out a little more during my next run. :)

i'm glad there is such a post about DS lore, that the main reason i'm playing the souls serie :)

people, we have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of stuff to understand, and I ♥♥♥♥'n love it!

[SundownKid]

I dont believe that Aldrich is the Chosen Undead. Why? He is a cleric, From would never force a character class onto the Chosen Undead especially when taking into account the Soul of Cinder having a ton of different moves.

I also dont believe Dancer is Ciaran. The Pontiff gifted her her swords, she didnt have them originally. She is likely just a reference to Ciaran and maybe the Pontiff knew about the Lord's Blades of legend and made similar swords.

[Argon]

VAATI WHAT DOES IT MEAN!?!?!?!?!

In all seriousness, I'm gonna sub to this thread and lurk for a while reading peoples' theories, and I'll comment if I have to.

[Deku Scrub]

Originally posted by SundownKid:

I dont believe that Aldrich is the Chosen Undead. Why? He is a cleric, From would never force a character class onto the Chosen Undead especially when taking into account the Soul of Cinder having a ton of different moves.

I also dont believe Dancer is Ciaran. The Pontiff gifted her her swords, she didnt have them originally. She is likely just a reference to Ciaran and maybe the Pontiff knew about the Lord's Blades of legend and made similar swords.

Reincarnation seems to be a big thing in the Souls games.
I mean look at Seeth.
He went from giant albino tentacle dragon to giant spider.
It's quite possible Ciaran's soul (or part of it) was reincarnated into the Dancer without her retaining her memories.

I'm still trying to see if there's a link between Aldrich and Aldia.
They both experimented with the concept of immortality and looked for ways to deal with the curse of Undeath.
It feels like there should be something there...
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I'd also like to debunk the Shiva = The Swordmaster theory.
Yes you find the Chaos Blade (which is what Shiva was searching for) where Swordmaster was standing in Dark Firelink, but the Easterner's Ashes are explicitly stated to be his.

Right now, I'm still gathering evidence to support my "The Painted World melded with Anor Londo to form Irythill' theory.

[Fullmetal]

Originally posted by spectre:

i dont really feel like we sould take in consideration what happened in ds1 because some parts are invalid, like the last boss, it says that it is the first lord of cinder, which is gwyn. if what happened in DS1 had been taken as granted, he shouldnt be there, because the chosen undead kill him, wether to link the flame, or let it fade. like in DS1, i think we should think about the world as a world revolving around us, because there is as many world that there are unkindled/chosen undead. in my opinion, i think we should think about the DS3 story as if DS1 never happened. it would be too hard to build a lore speculation if DS1 happened because the lore lay on what did the character do after DS1, yet, if we take gwyndolin or priscilla, you may have killed them or not back in DS1 yet in DS3 Gwyndolin was still alive until Aldrich killed him.

your theorie is not bad and i really like the part about Ciaran, and that's true that i didnt saw the dancer as Ciaran even though we can see some similarity. the Dancer weapons are dealing physical, magic and fire damage while ciaran tracers were dealing physical and physical+ toxic damage(aux effect for the silver tracer). so i dont think ciaran is the dancer but maybe you're right, and the dancer was based on Ciaran.

i dont want to assume too much about irithyll stuff because i still dont understand everything about that part, i'll try to figure out a little more during my next run. :)

i'm glad there is such a post about DS lore, that the main reason i'm playing the souls serie :)

people, we have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of stuff to understand, and I ♥♥♥♥'n love it!

No, the soul pf cinder are ALL the lords of cinder (that obviously didn't appear already in the game, like yhorm). That includes all of us. That's why he attacks with str swords, agi swords, spears, magic, pyromancies and miracles. As to be fair with most builds made during our gameplay. And at last, in his last phase, the gwyn part of the soul takes hold of the body, since he was the first to link the fire and the strongest of all

[Torkel]

Originally posted by Fullmetal:

No, the soul pf cinder are ALL the lords of cinder (that obviously didn't appear already in the game, like yhorm). That includes all of us. That's why he attacks with str swords, agi swords, spears, magic, pyromancies and miracles. As to be fair with most builds made during our gameplay. And at last, in his last phase, the gwyn part of the soul takes hold of the body, since he was the first to link the fire and the strongest of all

that make sense, i'll think about it again :)

now the question i'm asking to myself is. who is yorshka's brother? anyone have found something about him?

i just killed yorshka to get her chime before goind ng+ and while dying she says " dear brother, forgive me".

while reading the yorshka's chime description it is said that it was a present from her brother, the former knight captain. but i didnt find anything else about him (didnt really looked for either), i'll read the item description in french while playing because while using the wiki, i feel like i'm not understanding everything in english.

if by "former knight captain" they mean gwyndolin(which was the first darkmoon leader), my mind going to blow up...

[Fullmetal]

Originally posted by spectre:

Originally posted by Fullmetal:

No, the soul pf cinder are ALL the lords of cinder (that obviously didn't appear already in the game, like yhorm). That includes all of us. That's why he attacks with str swords, agi swords, spears, magic, pyromancies and miracles. As to be fair with most builds made during our gameplay. And at last, in his last phase, the gwyn part of the soul takes hold of the body, since he was the first to link the fire and the strongest of all

that make sense, i'll think about it again :)

now the question i'm asking to myself is. who is yorshka's brother? anyone have found something about him?

i just killed yorshka to get her chime before goind ng+ and while dying she says " dear brother, forgive me".

while reading the yorshka's chime description it is said that it was a present from her brother, the former knight captain. but i didnt find anything else about him (didnt really looked for either), i'll read the item description in french while playing because while using the wiki, i feel like i'm not understanding everything in english.

if by "former knight captain" they mean gwyndolin(which was the first darkmoon leader), my mind going to blow up...

Who knows, maybe it was gwyn who ♥♥♥♥♥♥ priscilla. Incest ftw.
Or maybe it was those of us who joined the darkmoon covenant in ds 1 (doesn't make much sense, but hey, there were some peple with a lot sinners killed, should have been promoted)

[Depleted]

the giant crabs want to kill you because you smell like something nasty which is rotting in the sun, and crabs are like the cleaners of the ocean.

if you use the patches squat gesture as a crab charges you, they become friendly/neutral and leave you alone as they think you are the great crab lord, or another crab brother who came from a land borne mother.