flamberge vs claymore?

[Dominionz]

what's better for pvp?

[brownie689]

They are both slow weapons so you will probably die before you can swing. I personally like the Claymore the best. Used it in DS1 and 2 off and on.

[Traeus]

Originally posted by brownie689:

They are both slow weapons so you will probably die before you can swing.

If you git gud they are really good and you will kill people before they can swing.

[brownie689]

Getting good doesn't change the slow swing animation. Yeah the weapon has power but if the other player can easily dodge and bait your attacks you won't hit them. Also the big weapons take more stamina to swing so you'll run out of stamina while the other guy still has half a bar left.

[Linblum]

Longsword.

[brownie689]

Yes I know exactly how a Claymore plays. It's what I used the entire way through Dark Souls.

[Traeus]

Originally posted by brownie689:

Getting good doesn't change the slow swing animation. Yeah the weapon has power but if the other player can easily dodge and bait your attacks you won't hit them. Also the big weapons take more stamina to swing so you'll run out of stamina while the other guy still has half a bar left.

It's not slow it's just as fast as Longsword beacuse of the lag if you both swing at the same time you will land your hit on him either way beacuse of hyper armor or most of the time he will hit you once and you will get 2 hits beacuse of poise.

You're supposed to be the one baiting attack and dodging.

Stamina management is important for any weapon it's not hard at all just be less aggresive just like my previous point stated.

[Reoden]

Honestly I find greatswords in general underwhelming in this game. They lose the speed battle to most lighter weapons, and lose the hyperarmor battle miserably to just about anything heavier.

Sure with proper play I'd expect you can make it work, at least against people of lesser skill and/or those also using a "sub-optimal" weapon. But I'm personally not fond of them.

(Speaking of the "greatsword" class of weapons, not the UGS From still likes to name the Greatsword)

[Sabata The One]

Since poise is broken faster weapons quicker ones will stagger you before you Swing. I honestly prefer the flam though cos bleed

[Reoden]

Originally posted by Stilleazy:

Since poise is broken faster weapons quicker ones will stagger you before you Swing. I honestly prefer the flam though cos bleed

Poise isn't "broken" it just works differently now. And most people, myself included, don't fully understand exactly how it works now. Take your little katana and hit someone who has hyper armor on their Fume UGS or BKGA swing.. and you're gonna have a bad time.

[cannoliGun]

Originally posted by Linblum:

Longsword.

I love my claymore and won several PVPs but longswords are really op this time around. Even more them on ds2.
But I also think they will get nerffed eventually since too much people are using them.

[DRE]

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[60mph gorilla]

I have won a few invasions over the past few days with my FUGS so speed is certainly not an issue with those or even greatswords like the claymore.

[The Notorious G.R.D.]

Hyper armor will teach those pesky quicksters about what the ground currently tastes like. If the claymore move set hasn't changed, your heavy attack will give you a very nice thrust attack.

However, I've yet to have gotten a Flamberge. So I can't exactly answer your question. Go with the one that has better scaling. Or just go with whichever looks cooler to you.

[Helmic]

Flamberge lacks that sexy R2 thrust attack, but it also has significantly more damage and it bleeds. Buff it with Carthus Rouge and you've got a weapon that, even if you miss or get blocked, will build up bleed and eventually deal a large chunk of damage. The barbed straight sword is pretty legit as well, so using the two together can net you some fun results.

Originally posted by Reoden:

Originally posted by Stilleazy:

Since poise is broken faster weapons quicker ones will stagger you before you Swing. I honestly prefer the flam though cos bleed

Poise isn't "broken" it just works differently now. And most people, myself included, don't fully understand exactly how it works now. Take your little katana and hit someone who has hyper armor on their Fume UGS or BKGA swing.. and you're gonna have a bad time.

From what's been tested, it does absolutely nothing. It doesn't grant you any hyperarmor during rolls or attacks, it certainly doesn't prevent stagger. It's just plain turned off and a useless stat, and heavy armor doesn't provide enough protection to be worthwhile in PvP.

[Dr Carrot]

Greatswords may be fractionally slower but they are more powerful. Like any weapon that is slower than an R1 spam dex weapon it's all about spacing. I will wreck you with my claymore and then parry you to hell and back if you spam your katana or longsword anywhere near me.
All that being said, I prefer the claymore compared to the flamberge as its moveset is a little more versatile. Like people above me have commented, you can't ignore the power of the one handed thrust attack. Parry, then charge the R1 and catch them on the roll. With a hornet ring you'll be doing around 1100 damage for the combo. Game over.