Is firelink shrine a pocket dimension

[Sin Archbishop of Vainglory]

I heard somewhere that if you were to get out of firelinkshrine then comeback into it you would end up in the unattended version as both shrines are the same location but seperate places

[mdb]

In game pov they're the same place, at the same place, at different times.

From a game mapping design pov, they'd be in different places literally (they wouldn't be inside of each other if you were to, let's say glitch out of the "map". Maybe next to each other but probably not.

When you reach the graves it's like making a new area except copying and pasting the environment from the beginning. They don't even need to be anywhere near each other (and probably aren't).

Sorry if this doesn't really answer your question.

[Recreation]

Firelink shrine and untended graves are very strange and I think somewhat interlinked, seen as all the messages I've written in the untended graves appear at firelink.

[Promestein]

Messaggio originale di Coinsworth:

Firelink shrine and untended graves are very strange and I think somewhat interlinked, seen as all the messages I've written in the untended graves appear at firelink.

It's the same location. Entering it from Oceiros turns it into Untended Graves.

[gackie]

The funny thing is, if you look on any reflective surface while on untended graves, you'll see the reflection of the regular Cemetary of Ash.

[Krono]

Messaggio originale di Hat Skeleton!:

The funny thing is, if you look on any reflective surface while on untended graves, you'll see the reflection of the regular Cemetary of Ash.

Makes me wonder if that's a lazy programming mistake or if there's lore implications

[gackie]

Messaggio originale di Krono:

Messaggio originale di Hat Skeleton!:

The funny thing is, if you look on any reflective surface while on untended graves, you'll see the reflection of the regular Cemetary of Ash.

Makes me wonder if that's a lazy programming mistake or if there's lore implications

Lore. It'd be lazy to leave the reflections out, seeing as reflections reflect everything that currently is in DS3. If you painted the game pink with mods, your armor would reflect the pink. So it's in there for a reason. In the openning cutscene for DS2 (many people didn't notice this) but when the bearer of the curse wanders to the lake, the reflection in the lake shows another dimension entirely, and Iron Keep. This is also hinting the long-hated theory that Dark Souls 2 was just a dream and or hallucination caused by the old firekeeper in the beginning. This is a through the looking glass effect.

[Azzrix]

My interpretation of these two are is this:

I see the Unattended Graves as an alternate universe and heres why

So you know when you give the Fire Keeper the Eyes of a Fire Keeper and she speaks of an age of dark, well in order for the age of dark to happen the Fire Keeper would need Eyes in order to see the age of dark. ours doesn't have any but the one in the unattended graves did which means her champion of ash has already brought upon this age.

Now this may sound contradictory but I see Gundyr as the guardian of Firelink because in order to get to Firelink you have to pass Gundyr. "but Azzrix, Champion Gundyr is still alive when you arive so how could there possible be a Champion of Ash for the unattended Firelink if no one has passed him". Well.. this could be either because their Fire Keeper obtained her Eyes through different means, their Fire Keeper never lost her Eyes in the first place forcing that universe into a an age of darkness, or Champion Gundyr could actually be the Champion of Ash in that universe. i say he could be the Champion of Ash because, well; what if no one could defeat him so instead, he decided to carry out the Champion of Ash's task himself and as any other Champion would, did as he saw fit, bringing about the age of darkness

Now I could be completely wrong but this is just how I see it.

[gackie]

Messaggio originale di Azzrix:

My interpretation of these two are is this:

I see the Unattended Graves as an alternate universe and heres why

So you know when you give the Fire Keeper the Eyes of a Fire Keeper and she speaks of an age of dark, well in order for the age of dark to happen the Fire Keeper would need Eyes in order to see the age of dark. ours doesn't have any but the one in the unattended graves did which means her champion of ash has already brought upon this age.

Now this may sound contradictory but I see Gundyr as the guardian of Firelink because in order to get to Firelink you have to pass Gundyr. "but Azzrix, Champion Gundyr is still alive when you arive so how could there possible be a Champion of Ash for the unattended Firelink if no one has passed him". Well.. this could be either because their Fire Keeper obtained her Eyes through different means, their Fire Keeper never lost her Eyes in the first place forcing that universe into a an age of darkness, or Champion Gundyr could actually be the Champion of Ash in that universe. i say he could be the Champion of Ash because, well; what if no one could defeat him so instead, he decided to carry out the Champion of Ash's task himself and as any other Champion would, did as he saw fit, bringing about the age of darkness

Now I could be completely wrong but this is just how I see it.

I think lore wise it's more or less confirmed that Untended Graves is set in the past, and is part of the normal universe, that's why the handmaiden has a younger voice and Gundyr is rejuvinated.

[Azzrix]

Messaggio originale di Hat Skeleton!:

Messaggio originale di Azzrix:

My interpretation of these two are is this:

I see the Unattended Graves as an alternate universe and heres why

So you know when you give the Fire Keeper the Eyes of a Fire Keeper and she speaks of an age of dark, well in order for the age of dark to happen the Fire Keeper would need Eyes in order to see the age of dark. ours doesn't have any but the one in the unattended graves did which means her champion of ash has already brought upon this age.

Now this may sound contradictory but I see Gundyr as the guardian of Firelink because in order to get to Firelink you have to pass Gundyr. "but Azzrix, Champion Gundyr is still alive when you arive so how could there possible be a Champion of Ash for the unattended Firelink if no one has passed him". Well.. this could be either because their Fire Keeper obtained her Eyes through different means, their Fire Keeper never lost her Eyes in the first place forcing that universe into a an age of darkness, or Champion Gundyr could actually be the Champion of Ash in that universe. i say he could be the Champion of Ash because, well; what if no one could defeat him so instead, he decided to carry out the Champion of Ash's task himself and as any other Champion would, did as he saw fit, bringing about the age of darkness

Now I could be completely wrong but this is just how I see it.

I think lore wise it's more or less confirmed that Untended Graves is set in the past, and is part of the normal universe, that's why the handmaiden has a younger voice and Gundyr is rejuvinated.

i was gonna get into another theory of it being a possible past or future but i got tired of typing

[Nicholas Steel]

It can't be a different time. If you open the treasure chest in Firelink Shrine than it will be opened in Untended Graves, if you open the treasure chest in Untended Graves than it will be opened in Firelink Shrine. Neither can be the past/future of each other.

[Krono]

Messaggio originale di Nicholas Steel:

It can't be a different time. If you open the treasure chest in Firelink Shrine than it will be opened in Untended Graves, if you open the treasure chest in Untended Graves than it will be opened in Firelink Shrine. Neither can be the past/future of each other.

Time is convoluted yo

[Rinera]

Messaggio originale di Hat Skeleton!:

I think lore wise it's more or less confirmed that Untended Graves is set in the past, and is part of the normal universe, that's why the handmaiden has a younger voice and Gundyr is rejuvinated.

The NPCs we find there are from the past but the area itself behaves as if it's in future, like our messages appearing from the normal version to the Untended Graves version but not the opposite, which just can't be a coincidence.

There is also the Master there that you can summon ONLY if you've killed him before, similar to how you can summon other NPCs only after you've done specific action.

I'd go mentioning the chest that has the ring as well, but to be honest that area was clearly not meant to be reachable so you can't really factor that as canon lore.

[John Titor]

Dark souls is about cycles, not alternate universes.

[Krono]

Messaggio originale di Torquemada:

Dark souls is about cycles, not alternate universes.

Both actually. Every single player inhabits an alternate parallel universe. When we are summoned or invade as a phantom we go into their world, and vice versa. Solaire directly tells us this in Ds1

[Hunubul]

Messaggio originale di Nicholas Steel:

It can't be a different time. If you open the treasure chest in Firelink Shrine than it will be opened in Untended Graves, if you open the treasure chest in Untended Graves than it will be opened in Firelink Shrine. Neither can be the past/future of each other.

So if you kill Hitler in the past you should be able to kill Hitler again in the future? It's time travel stuff and also game mechanic. Other than having 2 of those rings would NOT be beneficial it would also create a paradox.

I mean it's a game that contains time travel, it doesn't have to make perfect sense.

EDIT: It's also not the first time time travel is present in a Souls game. Take DS1 DLC for example.