Road of sacrafices + farron keep are crap

[Cinders]

every single time i try to play through this game now after my first few playthroughs i stop at these zones, i log on to my characters, see these zones next, and i stop, because they are that bad
Not only does the poison punish exploration
there is no reason TO explore these zones
theres nothing in them
just a big pile of ♥♥♥♥ you poison
the obligatory swamp level is a plague to dark souls 3
its only saving grace is the abyss watchers which i consider to be one of the 3 notably impressive well made bosses in the game alongside soul of cinder and the twin princes
this zone is simple
run through it, take some damage, from the exploration punishing poison
the zones themselves are extremely linear
one path, take it, awful
after playing through bloodborne and dark souls 1
its a terribly designed zone
its aesthetic is crap, the only good looking part of the zone is the tower you can climb above the terrible zone below to fight the stray demon and unlock one of dark souls 3s many useless covenants
dark souls 3 as a whole has ♥♥♥♥ level design
the only well made zone gameplaywise was undead settlement
the rest were mediocre at best all linear as ♥♥♥♥
remove these zones from the game so i can finish the last 2 playthroughs i intend to do before going back to dark souls and bloodborne

[Cinders]

Originally posted by GiantDad:

Originally posted by WilliamMurderfaceMurderfaceMurde:

Thats just the thing, its identical, but with less incentive to explore and more linear
and even dark souls 1 has its flaws
bloodborne is easily the best game, i've played through it over 30 times and i am still loving every zone except nightmare fonrtier that zone is almost as bad as farron but hey its optional so who cares

Less incentive, again, can't tell if trolling. Farron has a coal and two sorcery scrolls to find, three rather important key items. The only thing I can think of worth finding in the Great Swamp is the Great Hollow. And even that you can skip unless you need something there, the stuff is highly situational. I think your nostalgia glasses are on a bit tight there,as much as I love DS1, both areas are equally annoying, except DS3 is (usually) smoother.
It's fine to say that you find DS1 the better game, despite its flaws it's pretty solid, but to have an issue with an area that's literally in every Soul's game, to the point of making a forum thread about it, is just plain idiotic.

the farron coal
it isn't useful
the sorceries
picked them up one playthrough i did as a sorcerrer
ran to the items
picked them up
ran out of the zone
thats it
you can use it for sharp or heavy modifications
woooow
except i skip it every time because quality is objectively better on just about every weapon another major game flaw
nostalgia glasses? isn't that when you remember old games as better than they are and dont actually just go back to playing them? because i've been playing dark souls 1 all day today and its still fun
not as good as bloodborne though which by the way
doesn't have a ♥♥♥♥ you poison swamp level
a blast from beginning to end by far the best thing fromsoft has ever done
whenever i try to play dark souls 3
i just remember why bloodborne is better and start another playthrough

[Cinders]

Originally posted by Vinyltavia:

Originally posted by WilliamMurderfaceMurderfaceMurde:

every single time i try to play through this game now after my first few playthroughs i stop at these zones, i log on to my characters, see these zones next, and i stop, because they are that bad
Not only does the poison punish exploration
there is no reason TO explore these zones
theres nothing in them
just a big pile of ♥♥♥♥ you poison
the obligatory swamp level is a plague to dark souls 3
its only saving grace is the abyss watchers which i consider to be one of the 3 notably impressive well made bosses in the game alongside soul of cinder and the twin princes
this zone is simple
run through it, take some damage, from the exploration punishing poison
the zones themselves are extremely linear
one path, take it, awful
after playing through bloodborne and dark souls 1
its a terribly designed zone
its aesthetic is crap, the only good looking part of the zone is the tower you can climb above the terrible zone below to fight the stray demon and unlock one of dark souls 3s many useless covenants
dark souls 3 as a whole has ♥♥♥♥ level design
the only well made zone gameplaywise was undead settlement
the rest were mediocre at best all linear as ♥♥♥♥
remove these zones from the game so i can finish the last 2 playthroughs i intend to do before going back to dark souls and bloodborne

*Laughs in Blighttown, The Gutter, and Valley of Defilement*

dark souls aint flawless
thats bloodborne
but even blighttown was interesting

[LucienWMoon]

Jesus christ, just the mention of blighttown makes me cringe. Either way, I agree, Road of sacrifices and Farron Keep are my least favorite areas of the game. Nothing like the hatred the OP has but still, they are meh to me.

edit:
why do you
chat in here
like this?

[MundM]

The level designs are good in DS3, what bothers me is the whole world design. I'm playing DS2 on ps4 right now with a friend, and I totally forgot how good it is, to have so many options as to where to go next all the time. Sure, the level design itself is pretty below the Souls standart compared to all titles, but in comparison to DS3, it's way more fun because you are not restricted where to go next. Other then a few sidesteps, like the Dragon area or untended graves, there is nothing else to do but follow the path in DS3, Cathedral of the Deep doesn't even count, because you MUST do this area or you can't go to Irithryl.

Having said that, the only issue I have with the swwamp area, is that you have to do the busy work with the fire, which should be an option in order to get acces to another secret area. It's wrong if you say there is nothing to find, because you can find a covenant, a secret mini boss, lots of items and spells and miracles there, so exploring is worth it.

Anti poison mosses are not expensive, get some, and you have no trouble exploring.

I think the biggest missed opportunity, next to wasting unlocking a secret area, is that they made those slime sacks on the trees purely cosmetic, those could had been damageable and then they should drop down and either unveil some more snails or items, that would be cool!

[JimPappa]

I have no complaints about Road of Sacrifices as it's not boring for me. Farron Keep however is absolutely disgusting. I hate it because some parts in that area makes your movements slow. It takes so much time just to travel a few yards, it's annoying.

[Cooman]

Originally posted by ;352788552260690204:

Originally posted by GiantDad:

"I've played DS1" have you just completely forgotten that DS1 had an identical zone, or are you just a real bad troll?

Thats just the thing, its identical, but with less incentive to explore and more linear
and even dark souls 1 has its flaws
bloodborne is easily the best game, i've played through it over 30 times and i am still loving every zone except nightmare fonrtier that zone is almost as bad as farron but hey its optional so who cares

bloodborne = 20-30fps = no ty

yes I own a ps4 too, yes I've played bloodborne, yes the terrible fps gives me headaches.

[axelmonster]

Originally posted by WilliamMurderfaceMurderfaceMurde:

not as good as bloodborne though which by the way
doesn't have a ♥♥♥♥ you poison swamp level
a blast from beginning to end by far the best thing fromsoft has ever done
whenever i try to play dark souls 3
i just remember why bloodborne is better and start another playthrough

So I guess you've never actually played Bloodborne then? Nightmare frontier anyone?
You'll find the same garbage in the chalice dungeons as well.

Yeah, because Bloodborne is perfect and doesn't have any bad mechanics.
Good thing that Frenzy is not the most annoying and unfun mechanic ever.
Or that the summoning mechanics aren't completely random and you don't even know if there is anyone around, or that you can only invade people in coop, outside of a particular zone.

Don't get me wrong, I love Bloodborne as well, but saying that it doesn't the obligatory poison swamp level, you're either lying or your nostalgia glasses are completely opaque.

[Random Dan Random Snack Man.]

but some of the best items in the game can be found in these areas ?????????????






WHAT???

edit im sick of people bagging DS3 not realising that half the landscape is reformed DS1 ares that have been tainted by the coming of the lords of cinder and the world itself is literally about to implode and spew history out its arse.

[Cinders]

Originally posted by ocoo:

Originally posted by ;352788552260690204:

Thats just the thing, its identical, but with less incentive to explore and more linear
and even dark souls 1 has its flaws
bloodborne is easily the best game, i've played through it over 30 times and i am still loving every zone except nightmare fonrtier that zone is almost as bad as farron but hey its optional so who cares

bloodborne = 20-30fps = no ty

yes I own a ps4 too, yes I've played bloodborne, yes the terrible fps gives me headaches.

there is actually a mechanic in place to make it so bloodborne can never fall below 30 fps which is fine for an action game
i doubt you've actually played it or dark souls 1 which also ran on 30 fps
everything you're saying screams "i started playing at dark souls 3"

[Cinders]

Originally posted by axelmonster:

Originally posted by WilliamMurderfaceMurderfaceMurde:

not as good as bloodborne though which by the way
doesn't have a ♥♥♥♥ you poison swamp level
a blast from beginning to end by far the best thing fromsoft has ever done
whenever i try to play dark souls 3
i just remember why bloodborne is better and start another playthrough

So I guess you've never actually played Bloodborne then? Nightmare frontier anyone?
You'll find the same garbage in the chalice dungeons as well.

Yeah, because Bloodborne is perfect and doesn't have any bad mechanics.
Good thing that Frenzy is not the most annoying and unfun mechanic ever.
Or that the summoning mechanics aren't completely random and you don't even know if there is anyone around, or that you can only invade people in coop, outside of a particular zone.

Don't get me wrong, I love Bloodborne as well, but saying that it doesn't the obligatory poison swamp level, you're either lying or your nostalgia glasses are completely opaque.

the chalice dungeons are optional and made so you really only have to do them once or twice, i've done them three times in my 30 something playthroughs of bloodborne, and they aint that bad if you do them over that much time, the chalice dungeons were notably easy to make and just kinda tacked onto the normal game, they have their moments with good boss fights though like the yharnam queen
the nightmare frontier is optional
but the nightmare frontier has one little poison swamp, it isnt the whole damn zone
that said it is my least favorite zone in bloodborne
frenzy is like curse but you dont just die
not sure how you feel that way about frenzy just have sedatives
as rare as it is in the game too
the summoning mechanics work just fine they allow you to progress through the level while you wait for a summon and you can get summoned pretty quick, actually a lot faster on dark souls 3 in the right level ranges because 6k people still play this game daily
you do know if anyone is around, more messengers show up on the lamps the more people there are by said lamp, and there are always people in every level so long as you're in a good range to be summoned
there a few zones you can invade outside of co op
and it pretty much works that way in dark souls 3 as well
people with many summons are massively prioritized
except bloodborne invasions are ACTUALLY FAIR
you dont have to be a 1 shot build with a hornet ring to 1 shot a phantom with a visceral, it just takes better timing than parrying
there are more stealth mechanics in the game from the messengers gift to blue elixirs
lead elixirs nuff said
everyone gets equal heals
you can only ever fight 3v1 at most
not 4v1 or even the occasional patented dark souls 3 5v1
the host cant turn the level against you
the level itself is deadlier
the host cant summon even more cooperators while being invaded
and dark souls 3 invasions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgnsx3dgx1I
take his word for that
the point of invading is to break co op which makes the game SIGNIFICANTLY easier
not to team up with the enemies and gank some poor host who just happened to have recently beat a boss and got embered, in dark souls 3 i killed myself after each boss so i wouldn't just get invaded
then everybody stopped invading, no need to do that now
also anyone who is even slightly interested in lore knows bloodborne does it best
"da fire meme cycle" is the extent of dark souls lore
ah and dont get me started on how much better bloodbornes ost is
i could go on about why bloodborne is better, i can reason it for hours, in the end its my opinion i enjoy the theme a LOT more, but there are the objective imrpovements bloodborne has over dark souls as well like invasions

[axelmonster]

Originally posted by WilliamMurderfaceMurderfaceMurde:

*snip*

I would answer this, but there is just so much wrong. Still making me wonder if you've ever actually played Bloodborne, and now you're making me wonder if you've played Dark Souls 3 as well.

I'll answer a few just to show what I mean.
Shaman bone knife can be used to turn the level against the invader. Sure, it's not on the same level as using a seed, but you can use it on some of the games stupid strong NPCs as well.

There are a total of 2 zones you can invade in, both of the nightmares.
Invasions aren't fair, you spawn with 30% lower HP, against a full HP host and lower HP phantoms, just like in DS3.

And you can get 1-2 shot by cannons, viscerals, blood tinge builds, Evelyn. Most of the meta outside of that consists of spamming quickstep attacks that kill you in 2-4 hits.

All the "extra options" you mentioned exist in Dark Souls as well.
Messengers gift = white/young branch, or chameleon.
Blue elixir = fog ring.
Lead elixir = Ironskin

I get that you like Bloodborne more than the Souls games, but there is no need to spread misinformation.

[Jäger]

Those zones aren't that hard actually. Even without a mobility ring.

No one can be fully satisfied by a game.

[Cinders]

Originally posted by axelmonster:

Originally posted by WilliamMurderfaceMurderfaceMurde:

*snip*

I would answer this, but there is just so much wrong. Still making me wonder if you've ever actually played Bloodborne, and now you're making me wonder if you've played Dark Souls 3 as well.

I'll answer a few just to show what I mean.
Shaman bone knife can be used to turn the level against the invader. Sure, it's not on the same level as using a seed, but you can use it on some of the games stupid strong NPCs as well.

There are a total of 2 zones you can invade in, both of the nightmares.
Invasions aren't fair, you spawn with 30% lower HP, against a full HP host and lower HP phantoms, just like in DS3.

And you can get 1-2 shot by cannons, viscerals, blood tinge builds, Evelyn. Most of the meta outside of that consists of spamming quickstep attacks that kill you in 2-4 hits.

All the "extra options" you mentioned exist in Dark Souls as well.
Messengers gift = white/young branch, or chameleon.
Blue elixir = fog ring.
Lead elixir = Ironskin

I get that you like Bloodborne more than the Souls games, but there is no need to spread misinformation.

the shaman bone blade last 30 seconds is extremely punishable to use and sees rare to no use at all against invaders, when it does see use and the invader doesn't just run away then its pretty funny and deserves to happen
although it almost never happens
the bone blade also turns the enemies in the level against the enemies in the level which they prioritize over invaders
i already listed the differences in invasions
you can invade any zone so long as its cooperators which going against is the whole point of invading
if you're too stupid to read them just stop now, like i said ivasions exist for the sole purpose of breaking co op and you have equal heals as an invader in bloodborne
i already went over all of this above
an invasion is something that can happen multiple times as you co op through a level, the invader SHOULD by all means have the slight disadvantage and need to use the level to his advantage
but the dark souls 3 disadvantage is broken and overwhelming
cannons are retarded easy to dodge
viscerals are usually around 80% hp and for good reason they dont happen often as parrys
i usually use a bloodtinge build and it takes around 3-4 hits to kill a host with my transformed chikage
that said it is hard to land hits with compared to most other weapons
psa: there is no meta, there are no bad weapons in bloodborne
another advantage bloodborne has
evelyn takes around 8 shots to kill if someone is stupid enough to take 8 shots to the face
they can be dodged like anything else
its like complaining about farron darts
some of the best weapons almost never use quickstep attacks
i've won countless fights with the burial blade and the way to do that is to get people to walk into your combo
same goes for the rakuyo
i get that you haven't played bloodborne
but theres no reason to spread misinformation

[Cinders]

Originally posted by U dieded (⌐□_□):

Those zones aren't that hard actually. Even without a mobility ring.

No one can be fully satisfied by a game.

i dont care if they're hard i care that they're bad
they aren't hard they're just bad
a hard zone is castle cainhurst
a bad zone is farron keep

[Cooman]

Originally posted by WilliamMurderfaceMurderfaceMurde:

Originally posted by ocoo:

bloodborne = 20-30fps = no ty

yes I own a ps4 too, yes I've played bloodborne, yes the terrible fps gives me headaches.

there is actually a mechanic in place to make it so bloodborne can never fall below 30 fps which is fine for an action game
i doubt you've actually played it or dark souls 1 which also ran on 30 fps
everything you're saying screams "i started playing at dark souls 3"

vsync isn't a mechanic, and yes if you record fps it still dips below 30..

there's mods for ds1 to run at 60fps, hence why I use them.

30fps is unacceptable to me, it looks choppy and dated, that's my opinion and why I place most of my games on my PC..