Is Yuria Evil?

[gackie]

This is a confusing question. She mentions her master is Darkstalker Kaathe, and she is a Darkwraith. Her intentions are for you to bring about the age of dark. What's the lore behind her?

[Burusagi]

Erhm. Age of Dark? No.... that's the other ending. She wants you to, basically, steal the First Flame. For what end? I dunno.

[Hezz]

Yes? No? Maybe?

It's all very vague, to be quite frank, and I don't think you can label "good" or "evil" on anything in this game. Except maybe Aldricht, coz man that ♥♥♥♥♥♥'s evil.

It's all a matter of perspective. On one hand, linking the flame preserves the fire and keeps the cycle going. On the other hand, bringing on an age of dark ends the suffering that the cycle seems to constantly bring, and quite possibly could eventually spark another, better, cycle of flame. On the other foot, usurping the flame takes the power from the Gods (Gwyn, Gwynevere, Lords of Cinder, etc) and gives it to the Hollows.

Which one you think is best depends entirely on your perspective and view on things. None of them are necessarily good nor evil.

EDIT: Mandatory Hat Skeleton reply, brb discussing philosophy over the corpses of the hat skeletons while i farm them for their 0.0001% drop rate hat

[Dallagen]

The Darkwraith aren't evil on their own, and they desire the age of darkness, the time of change.
The whole covenant is based around disrupting the flame and in turn, the cycle, as well as attempting to kill those who don't usurp the flame and causing overall chaos.

[M2B]

Originally posted by Alcohol Fueled Brewtality:

Erhm. Age of Dark? No.... that's the other ending. She wants you to, basically, steal the First Flame. For what end? I dunno.

Correct. What Yuria is asking you to do is not the same as what Kaathe asked you to do in DS1. She is asking you to play the usurper as opposed to letting the flame die out and usher in the Age of Dark. If you listen to what the Fire Keeper says when you give her the eyes from Dark Firelink, she mentions seeing tiny flames that will one day light the darkness. And from my memory, either in DS1 or DS2, I remember I line recited by the narrator telling the player that flames never truly die out, and that even when extinguished, embers remain to reignite it.

The way I understand it, the Age of Dark isn't the age of man and it will not end the cycle. Kaathe/The Sable Church now understand this so they want you to usurp it instead.

[Alcatraz]

There is no good or evil, she serves/served Darkstalker Kaathe though and therefore wants us to intiaite the Age of Man.

[RogueVoxel]

Originally posted by LightlySalted:

Originally posted by Alcohol Fueled Brewtality:

Erhm. Age of Dark? No.... that's the other ending. She wants you to, basically, steal the First Flame. For what end? I dunno.

Correct. What Yuria is asking you to do is not the same as what Kaathe asked you to do in DS1. She is asking you to play the usurper as opposed to letting the flame die out and usher in the Age of Dark. If you listen to what the Fire Keeper says when you give her the eyes from Dark Firelink, she mentions seeing tiny flames that will one day light the darkness. And from my memory, either in DS1 or DS2, I remember I line recited by the narrator telling the player that flames never truly die out, and that even when extinguished, embers remain to reignite it.

The way I understand it, the Age of Dark isn't the age of man and it will not end the cycle. Kaathe/The Sable Church now understand this so they want you to usurp it instead.

from what i understand of the lore, the fire was never supposed to stay lit, gywn forcefully re-lit it because he feared what the humans may become so thats where the cycle of flame comes from and by usurping the fire you steal the flame so that it wont be relit and so the age of humanity can finally start, but thats just my opinion on it all

[lazymagpie]

No idea if she counts as evil, but a) manipulating you to murder not one, but two persons to further her cause, and b) urging you to steal the essence of life, so that only a select few can have it, fits my definition of "Video Game Evil".

[Burusagi]

Originally posted by TheLaz0rSquid:

No idea if she counts as evil, but a) manipulating you to murder not one, but two persons to further her cause, and b) urging you to steal the essence of life, so that only a select few can have it, fits my definition of "Video Game Evil".

Anri doesn't die, she/he is right there at the ending cutscene. Swords through the face aren't as lethal as they used to be. The only one she wants you to kill is that sorcerer guy. I guess he just rubs her the wrong way.

[RogueVoxel]

Originally posted by Alcohol Fueled Brewtality:

Originally posted by TheLaz0rSquid:

No idea if she counts as evil, but a) manipulating you to murder not one, but two persons to further her cause, and b) urging you to steal the essence of life, so that only a select few can have it, fits my definition of "Video Game Evil".

Anri doesn't die, she/he is right there at the ending cutscene. Swords through the face aren't as lethal as they used to be. The only one she wants you to kill is that sorcerer guy. I guess he just rubs her the wrong way.

even thats just optional

[M2B]

Originally posted by TheLaz0rSquid:

No idea if she counts as evil, but a) manipulating you to murder not one, but two persons to further her cause, and b) urging you to steal the essence of life, so that only a select few can have it, fits my definition of "Video Game Evil".

What about the old gods. Gwyn relit the flame in attempts to keep the balance of power to the "gods" of the time. They crafted the lie of the chosen undead just to keep themselves in power age after age. What the Sable Church wants you to do is change that balance and give humanity a chance to reign. Not really fit to be labeled as "good" or "evil" considering the 2nd class status humans had for their entire existance.

[Doc Vivor]

Originally posted by TheLaz0rSquid:

No idea if she counts as evil, but a) manipulating you to murder not one, but two persons to further her cause, and b) urging you to steal the essence of life, so that only a select few can have it, fits my definition of "Video Game Evil".

And the whole linking the fire Idea is killing a criple and his brother, a king that tried to save his peole, a maneater (ok that one may deserve it), an entire legion of people that tried to stop the abyss and EVERYBODY in between those just to burn yourself. Does not sound a tiny bit worse if you ask me

[Burusagi]

Don't forget murdering Yhorm. He dindu nuffin.

Although, I guess Siegward promised him that he would put him down if he ever became Hollow, so it is a mercy killing...

[M2B]

Originally posted by Vivor:

Originally posted by TheLaz0rSquid:

No idea if she counts as evil, but a) manipulating you to murder not one, but two persons to further her cause, and b) urging you to steal the essence of life, so that only a select few can have it, fits my definition of "Video Game Evil".

And the whole linking the fire Idea is killing a criple and his brother, a king that tried to save his peole, a maneater (ok that one may deserve it), an entire legion of people that tried to stop the abyss and EVERYBODY in between those just to burn yourself. Does not sound a tiny bit worse if you ask me

And it all eventually will happen again

[76561198123332927]

Originally posted by Hat Skeleton!:

This is a confusing question. She mentions her master is Darkstalker Kaathe, and she is a Darkwraith. Her intentions are for you to bring about the age of dark. What's the lore behind her?

u are evil

[RogueVoxel]

Originally posted by Paradox:

Originally posted by Hat Skeleton!:

This is a confusing question. She mentions her master is Darkstalker Kaathe, and she is a Darkwraith. Her intentions are for you to bring about the age of dark. What's the lore behind her?

Define evil.

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