People think Bosses are HARD in this game?

[Pebbles]

Go back to DS1&2, and fight Orstein&Smough, Artorias, Manus, Darklurker, Vendrick, Raime, etc. Now these are some serious tough fights.
Compared to these guys, bosses in DS3 are just jokes, including that "omg so difficult" Nameless King.
Anyone agree? FROM seriously shouldn't have tune down the difficulty to attract more customers. It hurts the "Souls" style imo.

[Teiryn]

引用自 Adachi Ame：

引用自 Hat Skeleton!：

So Artorias is cheap too then?

No? We aren't talking about DS1, also Artorias is more like facing Champion Gundyr. I have fun with those two, Pontiff however I have no fun play against, he is hyper aggressive with almost complete random movesets(in that he will open up the fight with the 5-hit combo bs), before you say it, champion Gundyr isn't cheap.

Pontiff telegraphs that though, one easy way to dodge it is just to roll backwards, if you're very close you might have to time one roll though.

[gackie]

引用自 Aura：

引用自 Adachi Ame：

No? We aren't talking about DS1, also Artorias is more like facing Champion Gundyr. I have fun with those two, Pontiff however I have no fun play against, he is hyper aggressive with almost complete random movesets(in that he will open up the fight with the 5-hit combo bs), before you say it, champion Gundyr isn't cheap.

Pontiff telegraphs that though, one easy way to dodge it is just to roll backwards, if you're very close you might have to time one roll though.

I never even struggled with him.

[Cooman]

引用自 Hat Skeleton!：

引用自 Aura：

Pontiff telegraphs that though, one easy way to dodge it is just to roll backwards, if you're very close you might have to time one roll though.

I never even struggled with him.

I used to, but then I learned to parry.

all good now, he eats my riposte damage :)

the only hard thing about nameless king is the camera, the damm camera has killed me more than the boss himself. ..

[CPU IrisHeart]

Ornstein and smough hard? Thats a good joke.

[Teiryn]

引用自 DarkRockShooter：

Ornstein and smough hard? Thats a good joke.

http://www.thetoptens.com/hardest-bosses-dark-souls/

[gackie]

引用自 DarkRockShooter：

Ornstein and smough hard? Thats a good joke.

Ornstein and Smough are very hard on your first playthrough.

[nxmt]

引用自 Hat Skeleton!：

引用自 DarkRockShooter：

Ornstein and smough hard? Thats a good joke.

Ornstein and Smough are very hard on your first playthrough.

That's a fair assessment. How many other bosses came in pairs prior? Not counting Capra and the dog mob.

[Metric Guard]

引用自 Novalex：

Darklurker, Vendrick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M

[Jestrom]

Only one that ever gives me trouble is pontiff Sulyvahn

[[OTS]EchoZenLogos]

Great bait, I guess? Guess I'll bite.

Totally wrong, the older bosses are far easier in hindsight than the bosses in Dark Souls 3 as a whole, but I guess that was the point of this kind of thread.

In Dark Souls 1, the only bosses remotely as difficult as most of the bosses in 3 are the Four Kings (if you have a low damage melee build), and possibly Artorias. The rest are a bit of a joke - incredibly slow and easy for anybody to avoid. Ornstein and Smough are average in terms of difficulty, despite having a reputation for being difficult, because they are INCREDIBLY slow to attack compared to practically anything in DS3. Having two of them makes them a bit tough, but either one of them alone is a joke and they die very quickly.

In Dark Souls 2, most of the bosses are similarly slow and easy to defeat.

In 3, the bosses are faster, hit harder, have more varied attacks, and are generally harder to kill.

Admittedly, you can still trivialize it with Sorcery, and some can be cheesed (such as in the Giant boss fight which otherwise would have been a very fun fight without the stupid "sword" mechanic), but overall they seem far more difficult in 3 than in any of the prior games.

I mean, in which way are the Dark Souls 3 bosses easier than in prior entries? How is the Nameless King harder than "anything" in the prior games? Is he slow? Hits less powerfully? Has less health? Is easier to predict attacks for? Personally, I'm not seeing any of it.

[Teiryn]

引用自 Echonian：

Great bait, I guess? Guess I'll bite.

Totally wrong, the older bosses are far easier in hindsight than the bosses in Dark Souls 3 as a whole, but I guess that was the point of this kind of thread.

In Dark Souls 1, the only bosses remotely as difficult as most of the bosses in 3 are the Four Kings (if you have a low damage melee build), and possibly Artorias. The rest are a bit of a joke - incredibly slow and easy for anybody to avoid. Ornstein and Smough are average in terms of difficulty, despite having a reputation for being difficult, because they are INCREDIBLY slow to attack compared to practically anything in DS3. Having two of them makes them a bit tough, but either one of them alone is a joke and they die very quickly.

In Dark Souls 2, most of the bosses are similarly slow and easy to defeat.

In 3, the bosses are faster, hit harder, have more varied attacks, and are generally harder to kill.

Admittedly, you can still trivialize it with Sorcery, and some can be cheesed (such as in the Giant boss fight which otherwise would have been a very fun fight without the stupid "sword" mechanic), but overall they seem far more difficult in 3 than in any of the prior games.

I mean, in which way are the Dark Souls 3 bosses easier than in prior entries? How is the Nameless King harder than "anything" in the prior games? Is he slow? Hits less powerfully? Has less health? Is easier to predict attacks for? Personally, I'm not seeing any of it.

Lel you just called Kalameet and Manus easy compared to Artorias?

[DeeVeeTree]

引用自 Jaago：

Ever done 'em without summons? ;)

no, i had a caster on nameless king ng+1, we got him down to a sliver of hp.
then my internet decided to turn off

[ZeroKelvin]

引用自 MisterDuch：

eh......NG is easy to do, the bosses like the Dancer don't have alot of hp and can easly be killed, but in NG+5 and above their HP and DMG output can become ridiculous

and the thing is that the game didn't get easier, but us, the players, got better.

This. I find most of the DS1 bosses easy, spent most of DSII lamenting the lack of harder bosses, and then almost got sucked into the same mindset in DSIII.

Do I want amazing, epic fights every time? Yes!

Can I have that? No. No game will have perfect amazing boss fights every time.

There are just a lot of really good ones to find. Bloodborne has the Orphan, Ludwig, Gascoigne, and Rom.

Dark Souls has the Kings, Manus, Artorias, and Kalameet, to say nothing of O&S, Gwyn, and Pinwheel (not really).

DSII has Raime, Sinh, Aava, Vendrick, and the Mirror Knight.

Demons' Souls had Allant, Flamelurker, Maneater, and the Maiden.

Now, DSIII has Iudex and the Champion (best starting boss in the series, IMO), the Tree, Nameless King, the Princes, and Pontiff Sullyvahn.

THESE ARE ALL GOOD BOSSES.

Every game was disappointing in some way, but every game was still one of the best you ever played.

Stop complaining on Steam! Go do a challenge run! Troll invaders! Buy another Soulslike game! Do something fun! You're only annoyed because it's good, and you can see how much better it could have been!

[Adachi Ame]

引用自 I Drink and I Know Things：

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For anyone not of the tank mindset/playstyle you mean, right now it is currently a greatshield or GTFO, especially without poise(real poise not hyper armo, which relies on being in range to hit them) and the lackluster defense heavy armor gives right now. There are more types of tanks than just shield tanks. And curently those type of builds are just not viable.

[Lord Motav]

We got better, the games didnt get easier. I can kill Ludex Gundyr without breaking a sweat, but my brother who isnt nearly as experienced died many many times. Same starting class.