I think we might be able to roll too much.

[Merilirem]

Ive played 1 2 and 3 and known that the roll mechanic is only way they could get dodging to work on enough stuff, im still not sure exactly why we become so invincible while doing it, but again, there are reasons.

This is not a gripe about rolling or people who roll, if its possible, go ahead.

However i am left wondering if we could always roll so much. If rolling is perhaps too easy and spammable. Im just fishing for opinions on whether they overdid the ability to roll or whether it needs to be like this.

This is mainly due to fighting and finding myself rolling about rather than walking alot of the time.
I look kind of silly...

We all know there are plenty of things that could be done to change it, its just whether it needs to be changed.

[GrayHound]

Definitely. Ultra weapons can't catch runners at all. You can run/roll throught the game, never fighting anything except bosses. It's clearly too much and it isn't influenced by equip load either.

[MortalitasBorealis]

Ursprungligen skrivet av GrayHound:

...isn't influenced by equip load either.

It IS influenced by equip load. Only when it reaches 70% capacity though, then you do fat rolls that have far less distance and i-frames. Past 100% you can't roll at all. Everything below 70% is fair game, but changing this would just make heavy weapons obselete again due to the added weight on top of slow swings. I say rolls should probably have a few additional cooldown frames before you can roll again, but that's about it.

[Phyrric]

Ursprungligen skrivet av GrayHound:

Definitely. Ultra weapons can't catch runners at all. You can run/roll throught the game, never fighting anything except bosses. It's clearly too much and it isn't influenced by equip load either.

Please equip full havels (or a similary heavy armour) and try to roll, and post the results here.

[Dread-Reaper]

In PvP, yes, in PvE, no.

[Merilirem]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Dread-Reaper:

In PvP, yes, in PvE, no.

I tried fighting without rolling to see how it goes awhile back, relying on blocks and backsteps/weapon skills. It felt alot better gameplay wise, if not harder than rolling away from trouble. Rolling is by no means needed to beat anything but bosses, and even then a single role usually suffices and no more than 2 in close proximity needed, usually to dodge combo attacks.

Maybe im once again overestimating people, but i am curious as to your reasons why rolling is fine in PvE but not PvP.

Perhaps its just due to annoying other players, or perhaps you think its fine because its npcs and rollspamming them is required or not a problem. Maybe you just think pve is harder without rolling. However i don't see the difference.

[Merilirem]

Ursprungligen skrivet av CompletedQuill:

Ursprungligen skrivet av GrayHound:

Definitely. Ultra weapons can't catch runners at all. You can run/roll throught the game, never fighting anything except bosses. It's clearly too much and it isn't influenced by equip load either.

Please equip full havels (or a similary heavy armour) and try to roll, and post the results here.

That just takes high equip load, you can still do it, which is personally a pet peeve of mine. I mean, you should atleast be limited to being above the 70% mark when wearing that kind of gear. Fat rolls are hardly unusable, even in pvp. Though im not sure its worth it for the stats you get in gear like that. Rolling quick is too useful and that gear is not that much better than something of medium weight.

[grim5000]

do you know why we roll so much in this game? because combat is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fast you can't rely on shields now. to be even somewhat effective at blocking you need a greatshield, and even then against bosses you can be extremely low on stamina most of the time.

basically, shields are ♥♥♥♥ for fast combat with high stam drain. so we need to roll.

[Cooman]

Ursprungligen skrivet av grim5000:

do you know why we roll so much in this game? because combat is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fast you can't rely on shields now. to be even somewhat effective at blocking you need a greatshield, and even then against bosses you can be extremely low on stamina most of the time.

basically, shields are ♥♥♥♥ for fast combat with high stam drain. so we need to roll.

we don't 'need 'to roll, you can literally just walk by every single bosses attacks, hence the guy that beat the whole game and every boss without dodging or blocking.

I don't even use roll in gundyrs fight anymore, parrying is purely enough, think the only boss I bother rolling with is pontiff..oh and dancer

[Merilirem]

Ursprungligen skrivet av ocoo:

Ursprungligen skrivet av grim5000:

do you know why we roll so much in this game? because combat is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fast you can't rely on shields now. to be even somewhat effective at blocking you need a greatshield, and even then against bosses you can be extremely low on stamina most of the time.

basically, shields are ♥♥♥♥ for fast combat with high stam drain. so we need to roll.

we don't 'need 'to roll, you can literally just walk by every single bosses attacks, hence the guy that beat the whole game and every boss without dodging or blocking.

I don't even use roll in gundyrs fight anymore, parrying is purely enough, think the only boss I bother rolling with is pontiff..oh and dancer

I meant for those who don't have the finetuned skill and knowledge of having played the game already. You have to imagine it as if your playing for the first time, even if you played previous souls games, your not going to be perfect right off the bat.

Sorry if i misphrased that. Rolling is still less work, since its basically guaranteed.

[Quiximo]

My two cents:

Dark souls one- got smacked up trying to roll regularly.

Dark souls 2- got smacked up trying to roll regularly. Discovered adaptability. Used invuln over evasion more. Got smacked trying to roll somewhat less regularly.

Dark souls 3- got smacked up trying to roll regularly. Died to insane weapon tracking. Discovered silly number of invincibility frames. Used invincibility instead of evasion. Stopped dodging. Stopped getting smacked.

[G.H.Hardy]

Yeah but people need to be able to roll a lot in order to do that 3000 hp worth of healing.