Interesting speculation for gwyn family connections *spoilers!!!!*

[Fluff N' Stuff]

So going through alot of the lore some things kinda hit me, we never found anything telling of gwyns queen really. noting theres a good chance she was removed from history aswell.

but with the surfacing of Yorshka it brings up an interesting theory she's very close to priscilla. I'm thinking priscilla was the queen, it would make sense. taking a pungent square into account shes half-deity / half-dragon. so children wise with gwyn they have a chance at not taking any dragon or some. aka gwyndolin having snakes, and yorshka being part dragon nearing priscilla obviously. another interesting note is the nameless kings connection with his could note how he got such a connection. some other notable things would be priscilla initially having a second phase to the fight where theres a room below the boss area, but was removed. could be where she hid yorshka, also makes sense who was really in hiding. i have true belief yorshka was the one who was hid in the painted world, priscilla just stayed with her noting shes very young in DS1, sense she looks like shes barely 18 in 3, it makes what priscilla says when you encounter her (priscilla) make a bit more meaning if the priests of velka and stuff almost protected yorshka. also aldrich dreamed of a "pale young girl in hiding." not stated as adult or a name. which is why I believe the painted world was for yorshka, not necessaily priscilla.

the parentage of priscilla is a bit interesting, there's good note her mother was velka. considering all the priests and things found in the painted world, and her noting of the people. (would make sense if they respected her as they prayed for velka for absolution of their sins or what abominations they are. considering she forgave all)

Here's where there's two possibilities. priscilla is either seeths sister who was married to gwyn for the sake of cementing the trust to turn on the dragons. also noting hes part deity which is why he was both the only non-scaled dragon, and more so why he would want to ally with gwyn. *also noting here he had a piece of the lord soul. which i do find a bit more notable towards deities than the dragons. this is a bit more of a grain of salt but i actually wonder lore wise if a "true" dragon could hold a lord flame?*
or velka and seeth are priscillas parentage but i personally have less belief in this with the way the other one flows for both timing, and the mixture of the era ideals, and it explains why seeth was the only different dragon.
Velka being the goddess of sin seems very likely to have a taboo affair with a dragon.

also noting a bit more gwyndolin has always had a higher affinity for magic, making me truly believe hes seeths nephew with the amount of power he possess magically. and his affinity for the moonlight (moonlight greatsword being associated with seeth)
and the moonlight / pale / albino theme running through. also look at hands. there not normal. there morelike claws.

and another interesting note, I believe gwynevere / rosaria being the same. I think the prince lothric / lorian the reason there cursed, has to do with gwyndolin and gywnevere trying something. its extremely notable the same voice actor is used for lothric. but also that he looks alot like gwyndolin * THE HANDS lol*. making me truly believe his sickness was brought on by whatever happened with there trying to create the heir.
VERY notable gwyndolin has snakes, gwynevere is the "goddess of fertility" and symbolism for the snake is to accompy fertility. it is another sign. i have a feeling he sacrificed some kinda goddom / his lower body or something for the ritual. hence how aldrich got him.
and also could explain which child cut rosaria's tongue out.


Anywho this is my interesting speculation onto the family tree of gwyn. feel free to agree / disagree im stuck on it though :P it made me have an orgasm looking at alot of the evidence <3 love speculating ds lore best part of the game for me haha.

on a side note i find it very cool if you look at boss souls the light is always within a circle... the circle I believe being the dark sign. thought it was cute, it looks like the dark sign embering out.

[Fluff N' Stuff]

okay you win the internet, i didnt play 2 so i didnt see those

[Fluff N' Stuff]

引用自 evil_apai：

my speculation is:
Gwyn + Priscilla = NamelessKing, Gwynevere, Gwyndolin, Yorshka

Gwynevere + Flan = Heavenly Childs (Getrude, Dancer of Boreal Valley, Rosaria)

Oceiros(Oce) + Shanalotte(Lotte) = Childs born of dragon (Ocelotte, ???)

okay at first i was totally on board, but if you read divine and hidden blessing it only mentions the queen of lothric so oceiros and shanalotte probably didnt get together. i think it was rosaria. i think shes the queen of lothric, because it mentions "she was *initally* revered a goddess of fertility and bounty." and than "wanted to help" possible after running she took on a "rebirth" herself but with your info i think rosaria was the queen of lothric definitely blew my gwynevere stuff outta the water :p

[Nick Naughty]

Don't think Yorshka is related to Gywn, missing part of the name.

Yorshka has no experience, only the life at the top of a tower.

As for father Gywn and sister Gwyndolin, she is captain of the darkmoon knights, taken a vow.

If anything Yorshka was probably rescued by Gwyndolin at some point.

[Rinera]

引用自 evil_apai：

Oceiros(Oce) + Shanalotte(Lotte) = Childs born of dragon (Ocelotte, ???)

Whether this is accurate or not... this does give me an idea. Among nobility at least there is a habbit of naming children in a certain way.

Gwyn's children are named after his first name, Gwynevere, Gwyndolin.

Ocelotte is named after Oceiros.

... Who named Lothric and Lorian? We only assumed that it was Oceiros but... maybe there was a king before him?

[evil_apai]

Why I speculate Shanalotte is Oceiros's wife; Oceiros study Dragon. He might have found Aldia's study who found Seath Archive and make many experiments. Most of them are about dragon. Shanalotte was 1 of Aldia's experiment, she meant to be "Born of Dragon", but failed so. Marrying Shanalotte was part of Oceiros plan to continue Aldia's experiment to make a dragon.

Listen carefully during Oceiros battle, "Ahh, dear little Ocelotte. Where have you gone? Are you hiding from me? Come out, come out, don't be afraid. You were BORN A CHILD OF DRAGON, what could you possibly fear? Now, now, show yourself, Ocelotte. My dear, little Ocelotte."

[Rinera]

引用自 evil_apai：

Why I speculate Shanalotte is Oceiros's wife; Oceiros study Dragon. He might have found Aldia's study who found Seath Archive and make many experiments. Most of them are about dragon. Shanalotte was 1 of Aldia's experiment, she meant to be "Born of Dragon", but failed so. Marrying Shanalotte was part of Oceiros plan to continue Aldia's experiment to make a dragon.

Listen carefully during Oceiros battle, "Ahh, dear little Ocelotte. Where have you gone? Are you hiding from me? Come out, come out, don't be afraid. You were BORN A CHILD OF DRAGON, what could you possibly fear? Now, now, show yourself, Ocelotte. My dear, little Ocelotte."

.... You do realise that he is most likely talking about himself, right? He became obsessed with the idea of becoming a Dragon following the taboos introduced by Seath that he forgot his old self, thinking that he is also a Dragon, not a mutated abomination.

I am willing to bet that no where in Seath's work Aldia was mentioned, seen as it would be impossible for them to know eachother. So Oceiros couldn't know Shanalotte existed.

[evil_apai]

About Gwyn's family... Think of how the 1st born son (Nameless King) have most similarity to Gwyn himself. Gwynevere born with humanoid feature but with dragon size. Gwyndolin born with snakes lower part (in DS serpents is considered as incomplete dragons). The youngest child (Yorshka) have most similarity to Priscilla. Nameless King change side to dragon might be out of knowing his mother is a crossbreed dragon.

[space is cool]

I got no sippies...

[evil_apai]

引用自 Rinera：

引用自 evil_apai：

Why I speculate Shanalotte is Oceiros's wife; Oceiros study Dragon. He might have found Aldia's study who found Seath Archive and make many experiments. Most of them are about dragon. Shanalotte was 1 of Aldia's experiment, she meant to be "Born of Dragon", but failed so. Marrying Shanalotte was part of Oceiros plan to continue Aldia's experiment to make a dragon.

Listen carefully during Oceiros battle, "Ahh, dear little Ocelotte. Where have you gone? Are you hiding from me? Come out, come out, don't be afraid. You were BORN A CHILD OF DRAGON, what could you possibly fear? Now, now, show yourself, Ocelotte. My dear, little Ocelotte."

.... You do realise that he is most likely talking about himself, right? He became obsessed with the idea of becoming a Dragon following the taboos introduced by Seath that he forgot his old self, thinking that he is also a Dragon, not a mutated abomination.

I am willing to bet that no where in Seath's work Aldia was mentioned, seen as it would be impossible for them to know eachother. So Oceiros couldn't know Shanalotte existed.

Well I will accept Oceiros is talking to himself if I don't hear anything except him during the battle. But there's clearly a baby's cry through out the battle. Ocelotte might have the ability similar to crossbreed Priscilla, become invisible upon a sense of danger. There should be a baby in his hand, just like there should be a ceremony blade on the pilgrim hand when he hand it out to you in marrying Anri scene.

[Rinera]

引用自 evil_apai：

引用自 Rinera：

.... You do realise that he is most likely talking about himself, right? He became obsessed with the idea of becoming a Dragon following the taboos introduced by Seath that he forgot his old self, thinking that he is also a Dragon, not a mutated abomination.

I am willing to bet that no where in Seath's work Aldia was mentioned, seen as it would be impossible for them to know eachother. So Oceiros couldn't know Shanalotte existed.

Well I will accept Oceiros is talking to himself if I don't hear anything except him during the battle. But there's clearly a baby's cry through out the battle. Ocelotte might have the ability similar to crossbreed Priscilla, become invisible upon a sense of danger. There should be a baby in his hand, just like there should be a ceremony blade on the pilgrim hand when he hand it out to you in marrying Anri scene.

I don't see how the Ceremony Blade matters. When NPCs give you stuff, they never actually hold it.

Regarding the baby cries... It is rather weird but the cries clearly stop after the fight enters the second phase. If Ocelotte was... real and not just Oceiros being so mad that he is LITERALLY doing the cries as well, we should still be able to hear his cries after Oceiros' death.

Notice that at the second phase, the cries stop, almost as if you beat some sense into Oceiros that Ocelotte is not there. He sees his hands, that nothing is there, and goes into rage. That or he crashes Ocelotte... Which should have given you souls or we should be able to see him afterwards for a second. We actually see something on his left hand that holds him, but it's not a death effect, more like an explosion.

[evil_apai]

引用自 Rinera：

引用自 evil_apai：

Well I will accept Oceiros is talking to himself if I don't hear anything except him during the battle. But there's clearly a baby's cry through out the battle. Ocelotte might have the ability similar to crossbreed Priscilla, become invisible upon a sense of danger. There should be a baby in his hand, just like there should be a ceremony blade on the pilgrim hand when he hand it out to you in marrying Anri scene.

I don't see how the Ceremony Blade matters. When NPCs give you stuff, they never actually hold it.

Regarding the baby cries... It is rather weird but the cries clearly stop after the fight enters the second phase. If Ocelotte was... real and not just Oceiros being so mad that he is LITERALLY doing the cries as well, we should still be able to hear his cries after Oceiros' death.

Notice that at the second phase, the cries stop, almost as if you beat some sense into Oceiros that Ocelotte is not there. He sees his hands, that nothing is there, and goes into rage. That or he crashes Ocelotte... Which should have given you souls or we should be able to see him afterwards for a second. We actually see something on his left hand that holds him, but it's not a death effect, more like an explosion.

Well... May be ... TT..TT don't mad at me please~~~ Not sure if it true or not, if a dragon died, they never give souls actually... Dragon don't have souls, that's why they are immortal. There is no Hellkite Dragon Souls, no Kalameeth Souls, not Seath souls, no Storm Drake souls, no Ancient Wyvern souls... Weirdly we got Ancient Dragon souls from the Dragon Memory in DS2.

[Rinera]

These are pure Dragons though, including Seath. Oceiros is not a born Dragon and technically neither is Ocelotte. Good point though, weird how we don't get unique boss Dragon Souls.... Except we do.

The Guardian Dragon in Dark Souls 2 drops a soul. Not a Soul of a Giant, a real Dragon Soul.

EDIT: After checking a video from some cut content.... it shows that Ocelotte is really being crashed by Oceiros. There are some juicy sounds there that were most likely removed for censorship (gotta get that 16+!). So... Ocelotte is really a half, possibly the first ever scaleless half, and he is really there as Oceiros is crashing him. Did the censoring go as far as to remove any possible clues regarding that though? That seems a bit over the top.

[The Legend]

There are many statues in ds1 where there's a mother carrying a child and most of them were destroyed, the likely theory is that it was the gwins first born, but the mother is always a mistery. I beleive the mother was Velka. Gwindowlin's knights originally hunted from the velkas book of guilty, velka has infulence in painted world, probably protecting her daughter, pricilla. velka is also associated with birds/crows and strome drake looks like a cross between a dragon and a bird. so there are connection with gwins kids and velka. seath probaly kidnapped velka and created priscilla, making gwin angry and sealing off the archives. nameless king angry with seath might have gone is search of dragons that seath betrayed, gwindowlin contued his mothers legacy of hunting the sinners. gwinevere might have just left long ago with flan.