Astora Greatsword Chaos/Dark - Question (Pyro-build)

[MrPeters]

Why are people suggesting chaos over dark infusion when it comes to Astora Greatsword?

Wouldn't it better to have dark so that you have both dark damage and fire damage for resistant foes?

[Mr. Kitty Saves The World]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von World Eater:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MrPeters:

Mind giving me the arguments as to why you guys think these things? I need to know why I should do something.
And World Eater, I'm speaking of being a pyro = fire and dark infuse = dark.

As i said if you are planning to use FIRE CLUTCH RING which boosts your fire based fire spells as well as the fire damage on your weapon than pick CHAOS otherwise they are the same bot scale A A on INT/FTH but DARK resistance across the universe is lower than fire.

Also you get more DPS with RAW infusion + BUFF but you lose an attunment slot for buff and FP cost + slows you down on invasions. RAW INFUSION only works good for ASTORA but then again it's a matter of choice of using buffs or not

Raw is certainly good for much more than just the Astora. Don't spread misinformation.

[World Eater]

I am not spreading misinformation, wanna back up your accusation? Name me a weapon that is better with raw infusion than other infusion types at endgame

[Jendex]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Vape Kewell:

Refined infusion with 40 Str and 40 Dex: 546
Chaos infusion with 40 Fth and 40 Int: 610

Yeah, completely outclassed all right.

One word: split damage

[Jendex]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mr. Kitty Saves The World:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von World Eater:

As i said if you are planning to use FIRE CLUTCH RING which boosts your fire based fire spells as well as the fire damage on your weapon than pick CHAOS otherwise they are the same bot scale A A on INT/FTH but DARK resistance across the universe is lower than fire.

Also you get more DPS with RAW infusion + BUFF but you lose an attunment slot for buff and FP cost + slows you down on invasions. RAW INFUSION only works good for ASTORA but then again it's a matter of choice of using buffs or not

Raw is certainly good for much more than just the Astora. Don't spread misinformation.

Raw is good for nothing unless you think an extra 20 AR on a low quality stat build is that amazing. Don't spread misinformation.

[The Fountaineer 🖋]

Raw is only good for buff oriented builds / low level builds basically.

[Mr. Kitty Saves The World]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von World Eater:

I am not spreading misinformation, wanna back up your accusation? Name me a weapon that is better with raw infusion than other infusion types at endgame

If you build Strength/Dex and infuse your weapon accordingly, Raw's not going to beat that, and I never said it did. Raw is good for dedicated magic builds that lack Strength and Dex.
At the endgame, just about any Raw weapon with a buff is going to beat a corresponding elemental-infused weapon. A Raw Longsword with Crystal Magic Weapon is going to be way more powerful than a Crystal-infused Longsword on the same build. It doesn't have to be the Astora Straight Sword; that's the point I was making.
It IS misinformation to say that the only thing you can make Raw is the Astora, because that's just not true. You can make pretty much anything Raw and buff it and it'll be good.

[Mr. Kitty Saves The World]

The misinformation in question was the statement that the Astora is the only thing that can be good with Raw, which just isn't true.

[Call Sign: Raven]

If you go to the Dark Souls 3 wikidot, you can find a list of all weapons and all the infusions for every weapon. That way, you can create an adequate plan for your build.

Personally, if I were to use an Astora Greatsword, I would make it Refined, because then I can still cast a buff on it, and I will get more damage out of the box than an infusion. If you are planning on having very high Faith and Intelligence, you could try the infusion and see what damage bonuses you get.

I will say, while everyone here thinks infusions are useless, they have amazing critical attacks due to the elemental damage. If you are planning on backstab fishing or parrying, you could try an infusion, also.

To be honest, though, regular physical damage has always been a way to create more damage than infusions. The tradeoff, is that you won't be able to put as many stats into your Intelligence or Faith. I find infusions are best for people with either a) low soul level and low stats, or b) people who want to put a lot of points into Faith and Intelligence instead of physical stats.

I did some experimenting at low levels, using some infusions, regular weapons, and raw. Of course, Raw came out on top because my stats are so low at level 30, but the differences in damage were only marginal. Like, I have a Raw Flamberge +2 that has an AR of 246 and a Fire Flamberge +2 (I can't remember the AR, I think it's total is 256.) Anyway, when using this item in PvP, the difference in damage was about 30-40, which to me, is not a big deal.

You should never look at damage, but instead, the number of hits it takes to kill something. It only matters if it takes less hits to kill things, rather than just trying to get the highest AR possible.

All in all, I would say not to worry too much about it, and try to have fun instead of number crunching!

[Vinyltavia]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von William See:

Never used raw weapons, always refined, sharp, or heavy. Hell, even fought with the dancers blades and golden ritual spear: the crux of under powered weapons.

Ive got a friend who uses those blades; he makes them work pretty well at SL 40 and i'm honestly surprised at how good their moveset is.

[Call Sign: Raven]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mr. Kitty Saves The World:

The misinformation in question was the statement that the Astora is the only thing that can be good with Raw, which just isn't true.

I'm not sure about that. The Astora Straightsword gets a significant AR boost vs other weapons in it's class. At +2, the AR is 198, and the AR on a Raw Longsword +2 is only 164, if my memory serves me. A Battle Axe Raw +2 gets 192 AR, so that's actually very decent. While I don't think the Astora Straightsword is the ONLY weapon that gets the most out of Raw infusion, it certainly is one of the best. It largely depends on the weapon, because some weapons seem to "respond" better to raw while others don't get that much of a boost when compared to the other infusion types. It's an interesting and convoluted system that From Soft has left us with!

[World Eater]

With the bare minimum requirements of a REFINED longsowrd,lothric sword,darksowrd,broadsword they have BETTER BASE AR THAN A RAW INFUSION. I am not talking about quality builds, i have a 60 faith char with 12 str and 13 dex and a sorcerer with 18dex and 16 str....

So no , you are wrong and the only one spreading misinformation here

Lothric Sword : 271 AR with REFINED as opposed to 256 RAW
Dark Sword : 290ish AR with REFINED as opposed to 270ish raw

[Call Sign: Raven]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von World Eater:

With the bare minimum requirements of a REFINED longsowrd,lothric sword,darksowrd,broadsword they have BETTER BASE AR THAN A RAW INFUSION. I am not talking about quality builds, i have a 60 faith char with 12 str and 13 dex and a sorcerer with 18dex and 16 str....

So no , you are wrong and the only one spreading misinformation here

Lothric Sword : 271 AR with REFINED as opposed to 256 RAW
Dark Sword : 290ish AR with REFINED as opposed to 270ish raw

It depends on how high you take the weapon. At low levels, those weapons are pathetic, but at high levels the Astora Straightsword gets outclassed, damage-wise. It's not about misinformation, it's about where and when the information comes to pass. A +2 Astora SS will always outperform a +10 version, because other weapons that are also +10 will totally demolish it in terms of damage, especially a Lothric or Dark Sword. At high levels, the Lothric Straightsword is one of the best swords you can have, but at low levels it's really underwhelming. Just my two cents!

[World Eater]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Harrison Ford:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von World Eater:

With the bare minimum requirements of a REFINED longsowrd,lothric sword,darksowrd,broadsword they have BETTER BASE AR THAN A RAW INFUSION. I am not talking about quality builds, i have a 60 faith char with 12 str and 13 dex and a sorcerer with 18dex and 16 str....

So no , you are wrong and the only one spreading misinformation here

Lothric Sword : 271 AR with REFINED as opposed to 256 RAW
Dark Sword : 290ish AR with REFINED as opposed to 270ish raw

It depends on how high you take the weapon. At low levels, those weapons are pathetic, but at high levels the Astora Straightsword gets outclassed, damage-wise. It's not about misinformation, it's about where and when the information comes to pass. A +2 Astora SS will always outperform a +10 version, because other weapons that are also +10 will totally demolish it in terms of damage, especially a Lothric or Dark Sword. At high levels, the Lothric Straightsword is one of the best swords you can have, but at low levels it's really underwhelming. Just my two cents!

Well he keeps saying misinformation and i got the proof. I already said i am talking about endgame not low levels

[Call Sign: Raven]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von World Eater:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Harrison Ford:

It depends on how high you take the weapon. At low levels, those weapons are pathetic, but at high levels the Astora Straightsword gets outclassed, damage-wise. It's not about misinformation, it's about where and when the information comes to pass. A +2 Astora SS will always outperform a +10 version, because other weapons that are also +10 will totally demolish it in terms of damage, especially a Lothric or Dark Sword. At high levels, the Lothric Straightsword is one of the best swords you can have, but at low levels it's really underwhelming. Just my two cents!

Well he keeps saying misinformation and i got the proof. I already said i am talking about endgame not low levels

While I agree with you, I missed the part where you were talking about high levels. Whoops!