I don't understand counter attacks

[Marty]

Supposedly a counter attack happens when I hit someone during their attack and deal more damage. Thing is, I tried investigating with mobs and and didn't really deal ever more damage, the only times I did was when they recoiled off of my shield.

So I wonder how to deal a counter damage? Do I get the *THUD* noise when I succeed? Is it only really for trades?

The other question is whether all weapons can deal counter damage or if it's just thrust damage as in ds1.

[Cooman]

Originally posted by Marty:

Supposedly a counter attack happens when I hit someone during their attack and deal more damage. Thing is, I tried investigating with mobs and and didn't really deal ever more damage, the only times I did was when they recoiled off of my shield.

So I wonder how to deal a counter damage? Do I get the *THUD* noise when I succeed? Is it only really for trades?

The other question is whether all weapons can deal counter damage or if it's just thrust damage as in ds1.

There seems to be a common misconception with counter attacks. let me explain.

the leo ring increases thrust weapon counter attack damage by 25% (as of a couple of patches ago, it used to be 15% but thrust weapon damage got reduced at the same time)

equip leo ring, use a spear and spam attacks, even WITHOUT the THUD noise, you will receive the counter damage as long as your opponents is in the middle of an action (such as attacking, rolling etc)

now, the THUD noise from a hit, such as when you 'kick' a player and they are in a vulnerable state, or on some bosses under certain conditions seems to raise ALL hits. I've had extra damage on fume swings, long sword hits etc that are not thrust damage.

go check out nothmls latest video (common misconceptions) for the evidence to support what I'm saying.

basically.

attack during any animation with thrust damage = counter

attack in 'vulnerable' state = any damage type boosted

[KleinGulo]

Equip a slow weapon, attack and check your defence stats quickly. You will see that your "thrust defence" will be near zero for the time of your attack. So yes, its only for trades and yes, its only working with thrust attacks. Afaik.

[Marty]

Much appreciated.

So I get a counter for clipping ppl durring rolls as well? Hmm, I might give the leo ring a shot then.

[Cooman]

Originally posted by Marty:

Much appreciated.

So I get a counter for clipping ppl durring rolls as well? Hmm, I might give the leo ring a shot then.

you get it when they perform most actions. but the 'thud' isn't just counter attack, that's your opponent in a 'vulnerable ' state.

thrust weapon counter damage works without the THUD noise.