why do people think dancer's enchanted swords suck (Pve mostly)

[Tea]

i always see people say this is a bad weapon when it feels perfectly serviceable in the main game and dlc

(also do dual curved swords have the same negative stigma in this game as elden ring or are they actually respectable)

[luky]

Sellsword Twinblades are pretty op, i really tried to make dancer´s work but found the useless, they are still beautiful tho

[desecratedpetals]

Dancers swords have 3 different damage types. More damage types = more defenses applied when you hit something both in pve and pvp.
Their moveset is also way slower than sellsword/warden twinblades.

Sellswords are one of the best pve weapons but I wouldn't say theirs a stigma against them at all.

[King Robert Baratheon]

Originally posted by Willow~!:

Dancers swords have 3 different damage types. More damage types = more defenses applied when you hit something both in pve and pvp.
Their moveset is also way slower than sellsword/warden twinblades.

Sellswords are one of the best pve weapons but I wouldn't say theirs a stigma against them at all.

There definitely is a stigma against them. I think you're choosing to ignore it. It's a dex weapon, it's fast, you can wield two of them because of innate dual-wielding design choice, and stamina is overpowered in DS3. They're the epitome of the R1/L2 (weapon art) spam cancer that is prevalent in DS3 (pvp). Especially since real poise (constant poise while wearing heavy armor, like in DS1) doesn't exist in DS3. Even Dark Souls 2 has real poise to some extent.

[luky]

Originally posted by King Robert Baratheon:

Originally posted by Willow~!:

Dancers swords have 3 different damage types. More damage types = more defenses applied when you hit something both in pve and pvp.
Their moveset is also way slower than sellsword/warden twinblades.

Sellswords are one of the best pve weapons but I wouldn't say theirs a stigma against them at all.

There definitely is a stigma against them. I think you're choosing to ignore it. It's a dex weapon, it's fast, you can wield two of them because of innate dual-wielding design choice, and stamina is overpowered in DS3. They're the epitome of the R1/L2 (weapon art) spam cancer that is prevalent in DS3 (pvp). Especially since real poise (constant poise while wearing heavy armor, like in DS1) doesn't exist in DS3. Even Dark Souls 2 has real poise to some extent.

they were op cuz of the weapon art spam for pvp, it got nerfed, and they died out

[desecratedpetals]

Originally posted by King Robert Baratheon:

Originally posted by Willow~!:

Dancers swords have 3 different damage types. More damage types = more defenses applied when you hit something both in pve and pvp.
Their moveset is also way slower than sellsword/warden twinblades.

Sellswords are one of the best pve weapons but I wouldn't say theirs a stigma against them at all.

There definitely is a stigma against them. I think you're choosing to ignore it. It's a dex weapon, it's fast, you can wield two of them because of innate dual-wielding design choice, and stamina is overpowered in DS3. They're the epitome of the R1/L2 (weapon art) spam cancer that is prevalent in DS3 (pvp). Especially since real poise (constant poise while wearing heavy armor, like in DS1) doesn't exist in DS3. Even Dark Souls 2 has real poise to some extent.

I'm not ignoring anything, I just haven't really seen much hate on them compared to obviously broken stuff like PK or murky.
Fast weapons are definitely better in ds3 pvp to a very unbalanced extent, but fast weapons are not exclusive to dex builds at all with ds3s infusion system.
Sellswords can seem overpowered or cancer to less experienced pvpers since they do a lot of damage in a short time, but they get outclassed in moveset by most tryhard setups.

I wouldn't say passive poise benefits heavier weapons that much, as ds1 and ER PvP easily
devolve into people stacking as much poise with stuff like curved swords or dual spears to just spam through everything while doing more damage than heavy weapons.

[ChainedScythe]

With spacing, sellswords don't mean much in PvP. A basic straight sword is generally better.

[Tea]

Originally posted by King Robert Baratheon:

Originally posted by Willow~!:

Dancers swords have 3 different damage types. More damage types = more defenses applied when you hit something both in pve and pvp.
Their moveset is also way slower than sellsword/warden twinblades.

Sellswords are one of the best pve weapons but I wouldn't say theirs a stigma against them at all.

There definitely is a stigma against them. I think you're choosing to ignore it. It's a dex weapon, it's fast, you can wield two of them because of innate dual-wielding design choice, and stamina is overpowered in DS3. They're the epitome of the R1/L2 (weapon art) spam cancer that is prevalent in DS3 (pvp). Especially since real poise (constant poise while wearing heavy armor, like in DS1) doesn't exist in DS3. Even Dark Souls 2 has real poise to some extent.

i always assumed dex was key for ds3 cause bosses like dancer or nameless are so fast that i guessed i was supposed to be as fast too

slow weapons made more sense and were more fun in ds1 but i never really felt like anything not dex in ds3 worked unless i made it at least +5

[Sparhawk 59]

Players tend not to like split damage weapons. Sometimes its not just the weapon its 1 how you use it 2 what gem you have on it 3 what is the boss weak too that helps in this game

[Seferofe]

They're really not a great weapon. Like mentioned their problem is having 3 different damage types and the slower attacks. The damage type issue is mostly a PvP thing.

The slower attack speed is annoying, but manageable. I've used them a few times at meta PvP, and even though they don't do the damage you'd think with the AR they have, they still do damage. If I were to try and use them against a really good player I'd get destroyed if I didn't swap weapon, but if it was against an average player I'd be fine.

As for PvE, they won't be the best option, but like pretty much any weapon, you can use them just fine for pretty much all of PvE. Only times they'd really suck would be against enemies with decent fire and magic damage defence.

[urabe mikoto]

The combo is way too slow and gankers will hit you while you are attacking someone

[Sprinkles]

It's one of those weapons you'd wish it were just a wee bit better. It's fine for PvE but by the time your char makes it to the higher NGs, you're gonna likely switch to something else, especially if you're keeping your levels lower.