Why are high-gear players invading new low levels so common? Isn't this really toxic and cheap?

[Japanese Schoolgirl]

Honestly? xD

[Mike]

High gear? Most people get it legit and 90% of good gear is early game. Also, it isn't cheap. Most invaders have optimized builds and if having a good build is cheap then *LOGIC*.

[lpnlizard27]

no such thing as high gear.

Also welcome to dark souls.

Stop useing f^cking embers, Duh

[Watermelons]

Originally posted by PotatoLord27:

High gear? Most people get it legit and 90% of good gear is early game. Also, it isn't cheap. Most invaders have optimized builds and if having a good build is cheap then *LOGIC*.

Originally posted by lpnlizard27:

no such thing as high gear.

Also welcome to dark souls.

Stop useing f^cking embers, Duh

Don't be a bunch of twink apologists, dummies.

[Scaredy Cat]

Originally posted by Viele Wassermelonen:

Originally posted by PotatoLord27:

High gear? Most people get it legit and 90% of good gear is early game. Also, it isn't cheap. Most invaders have optimized builds and if having a good build is cheap then *LOGIC*.

Originally posted by lpnlizard27:

no such thing as high gear.

Also welcome to dark souls.

Stop useing f^cking embers, Duh

Don't be a bunch of twink apologists, dummies.

Agreed. It still amazes me how people attempt to defend it.

[Japanese Schoolgirl]

I've completed all in the Souls series, including DeS and Bloodborne, and on the consoles, there's nowhere close to this level of smurfing with later level equipment. I don't know whether or not there's an etiquette difference, or it's easier to hack saves, but it's damn obnoxious to be invaded 3 - 4 times in a low-level region whilst PVP isn't my concern. I can't imagine, too, how troublesome this is for people who aren't competent at Dark Souls - proper rookies who have neither the knowledge or experience - being exploited as easy kills for blatant griefing - this is the kind of activity, although oddly defended, which ruins communities as it's intrinsically unfair along with destructive.

[Mike]

Originally posted by LimeyPolo:

I've completed all in the Souls series, including DeS and Bloodborne, and on the consoles, there's nowhere close to this level of smurfing with later level equipment. I don't know whether or not there's an etiquette difference, or it's easier to hack saves, but it's damn obnoxious to be invaded 3 - 4 times in a low-level region whilst PVP isn't my concern. I can't imagine, too, how troublesome this is for people who aren't competent at Dark Souls - proper rookies who have neither the knowledge or experience - being exploited as easy kills for blatant griefing.

Aren't invasions a part of the game? I agree, High Wall and arguably Undead Settlement twinks are bad but that doesn't mean it is "cheap and toxic".
Also, how come when some random guy makes an invasion build they get ♥♥♥♥ for it but when fighter PL does it he gets a thousand likes?
Anyways, if someone has a dedicated PvP build then that is bad?
"Exploiting new players"
You are only invaded if you ember up and even then you won't get invaded if you don't summon or use a dried finger.
On top of that, the average high wall twink has maximium 1060 health and most starters have around 900 or so?
They aren't exploiting players, holy crap, all they are doing is using a mechanic in the game and min-maxing. Is that now a crime? Lol.
You will ONLY be in a 2v1 situation as a host in road of sacrafices or gank city. So that isn't a complaint.
One major advantage high wall and undead settlement twinks have are estus and bone shards, then again...
They aren't twinks.
Twinks transfer items, you can't transfer bone shards and estus shards and you have to get it legit.
Also, either way, twink or not most people can easily beat new players. If they can beat the whole game <SL30 so.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Scaredy Cat:

Originally posted by Viele Wassermelonen:

Don't be a bunch of twink apologists, dummies.

Agreed. It still amazes me how people attempt to defend it.

Because min-maxing, optimizing your build and using a multiplayer mechanic in the game is a crime.

[Scaredy Cat]

Originally posted by PotatoLord27:

Originally posted by LimeyPolo:

I've completed all in the Souls series, including DeS and Bloodborne, and on the consoles, there's nowhere close to this level of smurfing with later level equipment. I don't know whether or not there's an etiquette difference, or it's easier to hack saves, but it's damn obnoxious to be invaded 3 - 4 times in a low-level region whilst PVP isn't my concern. I can't imagine, too, how troublesome this is for people who aren't competent at Dark Souls - proper rookies who have neither the knowledge or experience - being exploited as easy kills for blatant griefing.

Aren't invasions a part of the game? I agree, High Wall and arguably Undead Settlement twinks are bad but that doesn't mean it is "cheap and toxic".
Also, how come when some random guy makes an invasion build they get ♥♥♥♥ for it but when fighter PL does it he gets a thousand likes?
Anyways, if someone has a dedicated PvP build then that is bad?
"Exploiting new players"
You are only invaded if you ember up and even then you won't get invaded if you don't summon or use a dried finger.
On top of that, the average high wall twink has maximium 1060 health and most starters have around 900 or so?
They aren't exploiting players, holy crap, all they are doing is using a mechanic in the game and min-maxing. Is that now a crime? Lol.
You will ONLY be in a 2v1 situation as a host in road of sacrafices or gank city. So that isn't a complaint.
One major advantage high wall and undead settlement twinks have are estus and bone shards, then again...
They aren't twinks.
Twinks transfer items, you can't transfer bone shards and estus shards and you have to get it legit.
Also, either way, twink or not most people can easily beat new players. If they can beat the whole game <SL30 so.

I am not even going to start explaining why youre wrong.

All i can say is, look through the eyes of an inexperienced player for once and think of how it feels/looks to them. You might understand a thing or 2.

[Japanese Schoolgirl]

You're honestly rationalising targeting ignorant newbies, lol, as a veteran with methods to cheaply acquire items in advance? You remind me of someone defending explotis as they are mechanically available - holy damn, crazy dude. You probably think roofies are fair game with a woman.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Scaredy Cat:

Originally posted by PotatoLord27:

Aren't invasions a part of the game? I agree, High Wall and arguably Undead Settlement twinks are bad but that doesn't mean it is "cheap and toxic".
Also, how come when some random guy makes an invasion build they get ♥♥♥♥ for it but when fighter PL does it he gets a thousand likes?
Anyways, if someone has a dedicated PvP build then that is bad?
"Exploiting new players"
You are only invaded if you ember up and even then you won't get invaded if you don't summon or use a dried finger.
On top of that, the average high wall twink has maximium 1060 health and most starters have around 900 or so?
They aren't exploiting players, holy crap, all they are doing is using a mechanic in the game and min-maxing. Is that now a crime? Lol.
You will ONLY be in a 2v1 situation as a host in road of sacrafices or gank city. So that isn't a complaint.
One major advantage high wall and undead settlement twinks have are estus and bone shards, then again...
They aren't twinks.
Twinks transfer items, you can't transfer bone shards and estus shards and you have to get it legit.
Also, either way, twink or not most people can easily beat new players. If they can beat the whole game <SL30 so.

I am not even going to start explaining why youre wrong.

All i can say is, look through the eyes of an inexperienced player for once and think of how it feels/looks to them. You might understand a thing or 2.

I started with DS3 and twinks weren't a problem for me.
Why? I didn't ember up.
Is it so hard? Anyways, if you want to coop gank the invader. If you are using a tiny bit of strategy and point down you will destroy most invaders.

[Scaredy Cat]

Originally posted by PotatoLord27:

Originally posted by Scaredy Cat:

Agreed. It still amazes me how people attempt to defend it.

Because min-maxing, optimizing your build and using a multiplayer mechanic in the game is a crime.

It is not about that the game lets you do it. In fact, they tried to fix it in ds3. (Didnt work out too well) Its about the fact that you an assh*t if you create a build specifically to kill new players.

Try duelling if you like minmaxing so much. You might not be as good as you think you are when you have someone of equal gear against you.

[Japanese Schoolgirl]

Invasions are supposed to be predatory, that's the design and they lack much honour, but targeting the weakest people with all advantages available is indicative of someone who's not only a coward, they lack any skill.

[Watermelons]

Originally posted by LimeyPolo:

You probably think roofies are fair game with a woman.

Oh but aren't they? They drank the drink, after all :U

[Mike]

Originally posted by LimeyPolo:

You're honestly rationalising targeting ignorant newbies, lol, as a veteran with methods to cheaply acquire items in advance? You remind me of someone defending explotis as they are mechanically available - holy damn, crazy dude. You probably think roofies are fair game with a woman.

1. No, the fact is that at higher levels it is very inactive. Also, it is a game. No need to become so freaking salty.
Also, if someone doesn't want to be invaded DON'T EMBER UP!
It's blatant common sense. You can't say "THIS GUY IS BETTER THAN ME AND HAS A BETTER BUILD AND SINCE I WAS EMBERED HE INVADED ME AND BEAT ME REEEEEE THIS GAME IS BROKEN EXPLOIT EXPLOIT!!!"
2. Invasions aren't an exploit, at least the last time I checked.
Also making a good build isn't an exploit. Wow, I never knew that!

[Scaredy Cat]

Originally posted by Viele Wassermelonen:

Originally posted by LimeyPolo:

You probably think roofies are fair game with a woman.

Oh but aren't they? They drank the drink, after all :U

Poor Bill Cosby, guy was just twinking. #FreeBill