estus cancelling?

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Hey guys! I've been getting pretty frustrated with estus cancelling clowns lately. Does anyone know how can I counter people who constantly use estus cancels? Thank you in advance!

[Toki]

I wish dropping items wasn't seen as potentially dangerous.
Giving the winner some embers or marbles could be fun. But hackers kinda ruined that aspect that could exist in duels.

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by moodswing:

Blue Sentinel mod is your answer. Glitching is getting so bad that in duels they are using it for quick buffs, poison cure and other status effects. I also love 1v1 invasions when the host has 15 instant heals. I like matches that last 30 minutes.

Pretty much always the invaders using glitches though, rarely seen a host use them. Except for the occasional probable streamers.

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by Thos:

Originally posted by A Knightly Fellow:

Thank you! Also thanks to the others who recommended this to me above! I will check it out! :)

Did you use it? Was it good?

Wont stop glitches though.;

[Toki]

Originally posted by Sinsear:

Originally posted by Thos:

Did you use it? Was it good?

Wont stop glitches though.;

Any idea what % of players know how to use them?

[Omastar]

Originally posted by Thos:

Originally posted by Sinsear:

Wont stop glitches though.;

Any idea what % of players know how to use them?

In my experience about 50% of people use it at meta level.

[LeGeNdArY NooB]

Originally posted by Mordred! >.<:

Originally posted by eaebre:

hahaha what triggered you glitch lover

Well you must be the only triggered one here if you can't accept people using glitches in a 5 year old almost completely dead game lol

just because its 5 year old game it doesnt mean you can use glitches (cheating) in game. imagine you are ok with glitches then you invade someone who use map glitches. why? because its 5 YEAR OLD GAME. do us a favor and quit playing this game if its hard for you to win a game without glitch.

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by Thos:

Originally posted by Sinsear:

Wont stop glitches though.;

Any idea what % of players know how to use them?

You mean besides the ones that just macro it?

[Blazing]

Originally posted by Omastar:

Originally posted by Shifty Thief:

counter? there is no counter to nearly unpunishable estus chug unless you're a pressure god who can play agressive and not get burned while at it, even then they'll most likely perseverance into chug cancel.

You want to fight it you gotta use it yourself. or, y'know, just BC out or ♥♥♥.

Yesterday me and my buds went to pontiff for fun, and having good spacing while maintaining aggression with things like the twinaxes, is VERY effective for utterly destroying cancellers, it works a majority of the time, for me at least.

Originally posted by PclsN:

I have never seen people getting banned for anything such as using backups and even using wex dust/honest merchant to begin with and most likely never will, now that we made that clear saying that estus/rkss cancel is banned by EULA will lead it to nothing after all not even devs care about licence now uwu
Also both arguments about ugs nerfs and "requiring technical knowledge" can be answered by adjusting and getting gud . Besides, its not like ugs was anywhere near high tier lately lol

Can't disagree with remaining two arguments; I'll make myself clear tho that i do agree on that being fixed, but at the same time I also disagree on whiners which most of them i can bet cant even glitch consumables at all who barks at those who can and kicking everyone because this is the majority of the game which im definitely certain of judging by my nearly 100% wr in duels lmao . If they want that to stop being a problem they could might as well watch a tutorial on how to do it to play with them on the same level.

tl:dr the counter is to git gud

People don't get banned for most cheats as well, I only consider cancellers a minor annoyance as most of the time it just drags on the fight, but still against the EULA
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2365533782

"but at the same time I also disagree on whiners which most of them i can bet cant even glitch consumables at all who barks at those who can"
Are you saying a majority of people complain about it because they can't do it?
I am fairly certain if I spent 1-2 weeks practicing I could learn it, I mean I'm sure most people could if they set their mind to it and practiced hard enough, now I'm not necessarily saying it's easy as I don't do it, but it's not because I can't do it, it's because I'd simply rather not as it turns many fights into a slog.

The EULA is always really general and applicable to multiple situations.
It says "Use or exploit any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to or use of the Game or to gain an unfair advantage over other players of the Game." You could shorten this to one variation of "Use any designs flaws to gain an unfair advantage over other players of the game." which is really vague and broadly applicable. I mean, twinking generally falls under this. Twinks have an unfair advantage due to using the design flaw in matchmaking that only looks at weapon level and character level and not including progression, items obtained (+2 rings, endgame items, 15 estus charges) and skill level. They don't ban for that. This "glitch" is just not gamebreaking enough, like. Only glitches that literally make enemies unable to play or even get a chance at beating you will be addressed, fixed or punished for. This is just an animation cancel that allows for a sped up action. Lots of shooter games have variations of bunny hopping, which allows for stronger movement. You even had games build around (unintended) animation cancels as a fundamental playstyle (GunZ)(which allowed for 4 attacks in the time of 1), that never got fixed or punished for in an online PvP game.

From my experience, the developers MAY fix this if they think it goes against the game (primarily in "real" multiplayer games, as in games that are build around PvP and DS is a single player game with multiplayer components) - but since DS3 development is done, this is going to stay, just like all other design flaws and smalltime bugs that can cause malcontent in PvP. Best way to deal with it is to learn it yourself or create a movement with the mentality of kicking/banning people that do it - and people will just stop doing it.

I truly don't understand the DS community, though, people get upset because you can heal 50% quicker if you perform a certain key combination but nobody gets upset that twinks can literally have 4 to 5 times your healthbar with estus. The one can be learned and skilled, while the other cannot be countered as they are players with end game equipment invading newbies..

My point - EULA is not a real good indicator of what is allowed, it's more something the developers can refer to when they take action, so it's intentionally broadly formulated. Best way to know if something is allowed is by developer response.

[Omastar]

Originally posted by Blazing:

Originally posted by Omastar:

Yesterday me and my buds went to pontiff for fun, and having good spacing while maintaining aggression with things like the twinaxes, is VERY effective for utterly destroying cancellers, it works a majority of the time, for me at least.





People don't get banned for most cheats as well, I only consider cancellers a minor annoyance as most of the time it just drags on the fight, but still against the EULA
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2365533782

"but at the same time I also disagree on whiners which most of them i can bet cant even glitch consumables at all who barks at those who can"
Are you saying a majority of people complain about it because they can't do it?
I am fairly certain if I spent 1-2 weeks practicing I could learn it, I mean I'm sure most people could if they set their mind to it and practiced hard enough, now I'm not necessarily saying it's easy as I don't do it, but it's not because I can't do it, it's because I'd simply rather not as it turns many fights into a slog.

The EULA is always really general and applicable to multiple situations.
It says "Use or exploit any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to or use of the Game or to gain an unfair advantage over other players of the Game." You could shorten this to one variation of "Use any designs flaws to gain an unfair advantage over other players of the game." which is really vague and broadly applicable. I mean, twinking generally falls under this. Twinks have an unfair advantage due to using the design flaw in matchmaking that only looks at weapon level and character level and not including progression, items obtained (+2 rings, endgame items, 15 estus charges) and skill level. They don't ban for that. This "glitch" is just not gamebreaking enough, like. Only glitches that literally make enemies unable to play or even get a chance at beating you will be addressed, fixed or punished for. This is just an animation cancel that allows for a sped up action. Lots of shooter games have variations of bunny hopping, which allows for stronger movement. You even had games build around (unintended) animation cancels as a fundamental playstyle (GunZ)(which allowed for 4 attacks in the time of 1), that never got fixed or punished for in an online PvP game.

From my experience, the developers MAY fix this if they think it goes against the game (primarily in "real" multiplayer games, as in games that are build around PvP and DS is a single player game with multiplayer components) - but since DS3 development is done, this is going to stay, just like all other design flaws and smalltime bugs that can cause malcontent in PvP. Best way to deal with it is to learn it yourself or create a movement with the mentality of kicking/banning people that do it - and people will just stop doing it.

I truly don't understand the DS community, though, people get upset because you can heal 50% quicker if you perform a certain key combination but nobody gets upset that twinks can literally have 4 to 5 times your healthbar with estus. The one can be learned and skilled, while the other cannot be countered as they are players with end game equipment invading newbies..

My point - EULA is not a real good indicator of what is allowed, it's more something the developers can refer to when they take action, so it's intentionally broadly formulated. Best way to know if something is allowed is by developer response.

A TON of people are annoyed at twinkies, myself included, it's a problem that should also be fixed.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2513030001
There are more posts about them made here over estus cancel posts.

[Edwin VanCleef]

Average BS user: r1l2r1l2r1 soft swap dagger, sl 40-90 hunt pve noobs and immediately disconnects if it meets a good player, has about 1k hours makes excuses for any lose instead of gitgud. Some even believe that changing the cat ring when falling is a glitch. The gankers are the same, last time i got kicked for estus сansel when there were 3 people with murky against me and it was in the forest at level 44 host and phantoms were 60 and 80.

[Omastar]

Originally posted by Edwin VanCleef:

Average BS user: r1l2r1l2r1 soft swap dagger, sl 40-90 hunt pve noobs and immediately disconnects if it meets a good player, has about 1k hours makes excuses for any lose instead of gitgud. Some even believe that changing the cat ring when falling is a glitch. The gankers are the same, last time i got kicked for estus сansel when there were 3 people with murky against me and it was in the forest at level 44 host and phantoms were 60 and 80.

The cat ring thing is actually true, I cat ring swap for every fall, and have been accused of cheating for it numerous times.

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by Omastar:

Originally posted by Edwin VanCleef:

Average BS user: r1l2r1l2r1 soft swap dagger, sl 40-90 hunt pve noobs and immediately disconnects if it meets a good player, has about 1k hours makes excuses for any lose instead of gitgud. Some even believe that changing the cat ring when falling is a glitch. The gankers are the same, last time i got kicked for estus сansel when there were 3 people with murky against me and it was in the forest at level 44 host and phantoms were 60 and 80.

The cat ring thing is actually true, I cat ring swap for every fall, and have been accused of cheating for it numerous times.

Dunno how people would accuse you of cheating for a cat ring. Its not a completely unpunishable thing, move swaps can at least be parried and you are still bound by game rules just have a heavier hit. Estus cancels are basically free instant heals.

[Omastar]

Originally posted by Sinsear:

Originally posted by Omastar:

The cat ring thing is actually true, I cat ring swap for every fall, and have been accused of cheating for it numerous times.

Dunno how people would accuse you of cheating for a cat ring. Its not a completely unpunishable thing, move swaps can at least be parried and you are still bound by game rules just have a heavier hit. Estus cancels are basically free instant heals.

Was just saying is all.

[hellrazor]

Originally posted by Tander:

Imagine complaining about estus cancel when there's people out there abusing the bow glitch, and better yet, CE...

Imagine it this is topic about estus cancel not other things and thank you people like you are evidence that glitches can be used by every one and it is not skill at all

[hellrazor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r-k5iXgZFg

git gud stop using glitches you are worse then cheaters thinking you are good at game u are just bad and cant win without your little exploits.

YEA worse then actual cheaters but it is same thing by the way