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Sprinting Shotgun 21 AGO 2021 a las 7:48 p. m.
Strength and Dex Both Rock
What can I say, I'm tired of petty feuds between Dex Players and Strength Players, and I wanna take a minute to talk about how awesome I think both of these playstyles are.

I love Dexterity weapons. I love the crazy fast attacks of the Scimitar and Rapier. I love playing fast and shifty, dodging in and getting combos on enemies who can easily flatten me if I'm not careful. I love the Lothric Knight Long Spear. I love dodging back, baiting attacks and using my massive reach for easy counters.

I love Strength weapons. I love stun-locking with the Mace. I love the vicious simplicity of the Heavy Broadsword. I love the unstoppable force of the Greatsword. While I started DS3 as a Dex player, I'm honestly not sure which I prefer at this point. I don't have anything against running casters btw, other than the fact that playing caster seems to make the Crystal Sage much nastier than he really needs to be.

Tell me about what you enjoy playing Strength, or Dexterity, or both. Comparisons between the two are fine, but I'd really, really like it if this thread didn't plunge into bashing the playstyle you like less.
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Artek [General] 22 AGO 2021 a las 6:33 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Sprinting Shotgun:
Publicado originalmente por Parsify:

In DS3, only ultras suck. Rest is ok.

And we're one comment deep in an attempted positivity thread and you're ♥♥♥♥-talking a weapon type instead of talking about what you enjoy and why.

Great community. I should really post in Steam more often.
I mean... He is objectively correct. In 1v1 PvP scenarios ultras perform terribly against people who know how to counter them - which is most of them. I'm a fellow UGS user myself and i "love" watching my enemy roll around me and eventually backstabbing me or roll-catching me if i try to escape. 0/10 match up, beautiful.

They are amazing at PvE though and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ do i love myself large beaitiful swords.
Sprinting Shotgun 22 AGO 2021 a las 10:54 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Scaredy Cat:
Publicado originalmente por Parsify:
There's no feuds, just memes.

In DS3, only ultras suck. Rest is ok.

Ultras are not optimal in pvp no, but theyre really good in pve so ehh, bit of a stretch to say they suck.

Love this response. Ultra may not be the best for PVP, but they're hardly useless, especially if, like me, you're Sunlight, and the host actually knows how to back you up when they summon you. Nothing like swatting the greedy invader with their eye on the Host with a three-hit Greatsword combo. I've gotten more than one invader kill with a UGS, and I've been playing online for literally one day. Plus, if you're running strength and you do find yourself in a one-on-one situation where you're not comfortable using the UGS, you can always switch to a Heavy Broadsword, Mace, etc.

And yeah, it's quite fun for PVE too. Nothing like 1-2 shotting or stun-locking enemies who would otherwise be extremely threatening. Also was nice for stomping the Abyss Watchers.
QuentinTeo 22 AGO 2021 a las 2:41 p. m. 
I think that it varies of what's your meaning of fun and if it's in PvP or PvE. I mean, in PvE a dex build is for those who hate themselves, but if you're searching for a harder challenge then it's the right choice! Otherwise, if you wanna "relax" (as long as you can relax in this game) the str build is simply perfect for you.
Artek [General] 22 AGO 2021 a las 3:02 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por QuentinTeo:
I think that it varies of what's your meaning of fun and if it's in PvP or PvE. I mean, in PvE a dex build is for those who hate themselves, but if you're searching for a harder challenge then it's the right choice! Otherwise, if you wanna "relax" (as long as you can relax in this game) the str build is simply perfect for you.
Well, actually that's the thing about the feud between strength and dex enjoyers.

Dex is usually associated with sweaty PvP tryhards: quick, hard-to-react weapons that hit for way more damage than they should and then on top of that they go for some galaxy brains tactics like backstabbing or parrying you with +10 sharp dagger with hornet ring equiped.

Strength users are usually associated with wholesome-like simplemindness and stubborness. They don't need fancy tactics - they have a large sword that hits exactly as hard as it looks and they have poise to tank through attacks that try to stop them. In PvE they also often experience the joys of being able to stagger enemies more often, if not stunlocking them entirely.

For these reasons ultra heavy lads are more often found in PvE situations as helpful summons. They almost never invade because why would they.
ZTL-Altima 22 AGO 2021 a las 3:11 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Scaredy Cat:
Publicado originalmente por Parsify:
There's no feuds, just memes.

In DS3, only ultras suck. Rest is ok.

Ultras are not optimal in pvp no, but theyre really good in pve so ehh, bit of a stretch to say they suck.
Maybe. Dunno if good enough to justify it. They are very useful in a gank/coop as support, though.
Sprinting Shotgun 22 AGO 2021 a las 5:08 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por QuentinTeo:
I think that it varies of what's your meaning of fun and if it's in PvP or PvE. I mean, in PvE a dex build is for those who hate themselves, but if you're searching for a harder challenge then it's the right choice! Otherwise, if you wanna "relax" (as long as you can relax in this game) the str build is simply perfect for you.

I think there's a little more nuance to it than, "Dex for PVP, Strength for PVE." There are a couple bosses like the Crystal Sage and the Dancer that I found much more manageable with a Dex build than a Strength build. Sometimes that wacky scimitar speed really makes the difference (though on the flipside, Strength with a Mace utterly trivializes all of Catacombs of Carthus).

Dex is better if you want to dodge, Strength is better if you don't want to get punished quite as hard for attacking when you should have dodged (since, with Poise, you still get your hit in). Both of these are totally viable in PVE.
QuentinTeo 23 AGO 2021 a las 2:18 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Artek General:
Publicado originalmente por QuentinTeo:
I think that it varies of what's your meaning of fun and if it's in PvP or PvE. I mean, in PvE a dex build is for those who hate themselves, but if you're searching for a harder challenge then it's the right choice! Otherwise, if you wanna "relax" (as long as you can relax in this game) the str build is simply perfect for you.
Well, actually that's the thing about the feud between strength and dex enjoyers.

Dex is usually associated with sweaty PvP tryhards: quick, hard-to-react weapons that hit for way more damage than they should and then on top of that they go for some galaxy brains tactics like backstabbing or parrying you with +10 sharp dagger with hornet ring equiped.

Strength users are usually associated with wholesome-like simplemindness and stubborness. They don't need fancy tactics - they have a large sword that hits exactly as hard as it looks and they have poise to tank through attacks that try to stop them. In PvE they also often experience the joys of being able to stagger enemies more often, if not stunlocking them entirely.

For these reasons ultra heavy lads are more often found in PvE situations as helpful summons. They almost never invade because why would they.

Hell yeah, I recently finished a DEX run and I really sweated it out a lot, since I almost could not receive more than 2 hits before dying 😂 now I'm in NG+ with a total different build and in about 7 hours I've already reached Irithyll, also helping some people. It's a total different setup. Also now I try some PvP, in the first run I always avoided it by not being an ember (I don't know the exact English term since I'm since I'm playing in Italian) because otherwise I will just die every time...
Scaredy Cat 23 AGO 2021 a las 3:12 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por QuentinTeo:
Publicado originalmente por Artek General:
Well, actually that's the thing about the feud between strength and dex enjoyers.

Dex is usually associated with sweaty PvP tryhards: quick, hard-to-react weapons that hit for way more damage than they should and then on top of that they go for some galaxy brains tactics like backstabbing or parrying you with +10 sharp dagger with hornet ring equiped.

Strength users are usually associated with wholesome-like simplemindness and stubborness. They don't need fancy tactics - they have a large sword that hits exactly as hard as it looks and they have poise to tank through attacks that try to stop them. In PvE they also often experience the joys of being able to stagger enemies more often, if not stunlocking them entirely.

For these reasons ultra heavy lads are more often found in PvE situations as helpful summons. They almost never invade because why would they.

Hell yeah, I recently finished a DEX run and I really sweated it out a lot, since I almost could not receive more than 2 hits before dying 😂 now I'm in NG+ with a total different build and in about 7 hours I've already reached Irithyll, also helping some people. It's a total different setup. Also now I try some PvP, in the first run I always avoided it by not being an ember (I don't know the exact English term since I'm since I'm playing in Italian) because otherwise I will just die every time...

Only being able to tank 2 hits before dying doesnt really have anything to do with being a str or dex build. It means you forgot to level vigor.
Última edición por Scaredy Cat; 23 AGO 2021 a las 3:13 a. m.
Meow 23 AGO 2021 a las 3:16 a. m. 
People who genuinely bash others for their preferred playstyle should maybe grow up a little imo. Most who do it are memeing though I think.
Omastar 23 AGO 2021 a las 4:05 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Mango_Meow:
People who genuinely bash others for their preferred playstyle should maybe grow up a little imo. Most who do it are memeing though I think.
It's 100% memes.

Also if you use dex you need to Git Gud :P
Meow 23 AGO 2021 a las 4:07 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Omastar:
Publicado originalmente por Mango_Meow:
People who genuinely bash others for their preferred playstyle should maybe grow up a little imo. Most who do it are memeing though I think.
It's 100% memes.

Also if you use dex you need to Git Gud :P
*Sweats in the vast majority of challenge runs using winblades* XD
Omastar 23 AGO 2021 a las 4:09 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Mango_Meow:
Publicado originalmente por Omastar:
It's 100% memes.

Also if you use dex you need to Git Gud :P
*Sweats in the vast majority of challenge runs using winblades* XD
xDD
Artek [General] 23 AGO 2021 a las 5:39 a. m. 
There is one exception to DEX builds though who are not so bad and are honestly mad lads.
Rapiers. And I mean any that isn't estoc and doesn't enjoy having a range of a spear.

Low range? Check.
No crowd control? Check.
Bounces off shields? Check.
Replaces kick with pointless backstep slash that deals no damage, has no hyperarmor and can be parried? Check.
Reliably low AR of, at best, 380 at 40 sharp DEX, when any top tier light weapon should be dealing 400, at least? Check.

I'm the man who beat the entire game with Ricard's rapier. It sucked a lot of A.
Artek [General] 23 AGO 2021 a las 6:52 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por lShadow:
Publicado originalmente por Artek General:
There is one exception to DEX builds though who are not so bad and are honestly mad lads.
Rapiers. And I mean any that isn't estoc and doesn't enjoy having a range of a spear.

Low range? Check.
No crowd control? Check.
Bounces off shields? Check.
Replaces kick with pointless backstep slash that deals no damage, has no hyperarmor and can be parried? Check.
Reliably low AR of, at best, 380 at 40 sharp DEX, when any top tier light weapon should be dealing 400, at least? Check.

I'm the man who beat the entire game with Ricard's rapier. It sucked a lot of A.

Rapiers are mostly for fishing because they've longer BS grabs. Also 40 dex is too low, dex really shines from 60+. The thrust-counter boosted with leo-ring can also deal nice damage if you learn to whiff punish from strafing.
If we're talking SL120 and above maybe.
Even then there are weapons that will respond far better to this. Sharp lothric sword has like 410 damage at same 40 DEX while avoiding any other issues listed above. A perfect weapon, as far as Im concerned.

Also what was that about better backstab fishing? Aren't literally all weapons use exactly the same backstab triggers?
Sprinting Shotgun 23 AGO 2021 a las 12:38 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Artek General:
There is one exception to DEX builds though who are not so bad and are honestly mad lads.
Rapiers. And I mean any that isn't estoc and doesn't enjoy having a range of a spear.

Low range? Check.
No crowd control? Check.
Bounces off shields? Check.
Replaces kick with pointless backstep slash that deals no damage, has no hyperarmor and can be parried? Check.
Reliably low AR of, at best, 380 at 40 sharp DEX, when any top tier light weapon should be dealing 400, at least? Check.

I'm the man who beat the entire game with Ricard's rapier. It sucked a lot of A.

Rapiers definitely have their advantages--first time I picked one up I utterly annihilated the Pontiff, who I previously considered one of the hardest bosses in the game, and who utterly walled my first attempt to clear the game. Admittedly that had a lot to do with the Pontiff's crippling weakness to Thrust damage, but that wacky attack speed certainly doesn't hurt. I do prefer the scimitar a bit, mostly due to its big horizontal hitbox, but I don't consider the Rapier terrible. I wouldn't run the game just using Rapier, but then I never stick to a single weapon. At minimum, I like having one quick weapon and one big weapon with more reach. In my last strength run, I had a Greatsword and a Broadsword as my primary weapons, but I also kept a Mace in my pocket to dunk on knights and skeletons.

EDIT: I do want to take a moment to applaud you for running the game pure Rapier though. I'm glad you enjoyed the weapon enough to impose that kind of challenge on yourself.
Última edición por Sprinting Shotgun; 23 AGO 2021 a las 12:38 p. m.
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