Swords v/s Spears

[Vile Dog]

Interesting educational video which FROM should take a lesson. Especially in designing shield mechanics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLLv8E2pWdk

[Ravelord_Billy]

Spears have better range and work exceptionally well with the Leo ring.

[Vile Dog]

Spears also have exceptional speed in poking. I am happy with the way spears are designed in DS3 but I am not happy with the way shield are designed.

It is highly unrealistic to kick a shield and break a shield guard. Even more unrealistic is to apply a "special art move" and completely bypass or break a tower shield class with a longsword, for example. That is fantasy. Only possible in FROM mechanics.

[Vile Dog]

Take a look at the way a spear is being held during a shield up animation. The spear points to the side !!! A spear should be held pointing to the front of the shield. That is why you see these pesky sword rushers coming in front of you to kick freely. Why ? Because the spear is pointing to the side.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1555714210

[Zelo3827 ᑐᑌᑎᕮ]

Originally posted by Vile Dog:

Spears also have exceptional speed in poking. I am happy with the way spears are designed in DS3 but I am not happy with the way shield are designed.

It is highly unrealistic to kick a shield and break a shield guard. Even more unrealistic is to apply a "special art move" and completely bypass or break a tower shield class with a longsword, for example. That is fantasy. Only possible in FROM mechanics.

you DO know that this is a game that you can roll through ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fire right?

[Vile Dog]

I don't have a problem with the fantasy rpg elements of the game but some weapon realism won't hurt in the process either.

[Zelo3827 ᑐᑌᑎᕮ]

rolling trough active flames... that aint fanasy, thats straight up not possible and your complaing about shield mechanics

[Vile Dog]

Originally posted by Champion Stundyr:

rolling trough active flames... that aint fanasy, thats straight up not possible and your complaing about shield mechanics

Look, I don't know about which flames you talking bout, but I am talking about this is not a way to hold a spear and a shield.

[Zelo3827 ᑐᑌᑎᕮ]

its because its the same animation as all other weapons in the game, why would they think to make only it different?

[Vile Dog]

Is this a way to hold a greatsword in combat situation ? On your shoulder ? Are you on a parade or what ? This is very inefficient way to hold a greatsword in combat. Much more difficult to start a swing from your shoulder as you need the max centrifugal force to swing such a weapon.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1555741697

[Zelo3827 ᑐᑌᑎᕮ]

Originally posted by Vile Dog:

Is this a way to hold a greatsword in combat situation ? On your shoulder ? Are you on a parade or what ? This is very inefficient way to hold a greatsword in combat. Much more difficult to start a swing from your shoulder as you need the max centrifugal force to swing such a weapon.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1555741697

dude, you shouldnt be able to wield it in the first place...

[Zelo3827 ᑐᑌᑎᕮ]

so either your a troll, or you dont get that this isnt a realistic game at all.

[Vile Dog]

Originally posted by Champion Stundyr:

so either your a troll, or you dont get that this isnt a realistic game at all.

I told you before I am not against the fantasy elements in rpg games. We need dragons and scary creatures. But when you make a combat game you should stick to earth physics.

[Vile Dog]

Remember the transition from Earthen Peak to Iron Keep ? Molten iron in the sky ? What kind of physics is that ? What kind of physics is parrying an ultra with a buckler ? It is all wrong.

[Average Citizen (Not FBI)]

Originally posted by Vile Dog:

Originally posted by Champion Stundyr:

so either your a troll, or you dont get that this isnt a realistic game at all.

I told you before I am not against the fantasy elements in rpg games. We need dragons and scary creatures. But when you make a combat game you should stick to earth physics.

This isn't Mount & Blade (also watch Skallagrim's video on M&B, even that super-detailed simulator is way off,) nowhere has From Software ever stated Dark Souls is an "Earth Human Medieval European HEMA Combat Simulator"

[Vile Dog]

So are you proposing that we should forever disregard our own human experience and knowledge and succumb to whatever broken physics FROM can devise and never question the validity ?