Tips for follower javelin users

[alex petricov]

i've been playing with the thing for a while,some spear users who havent used this weapon before might be confused first time using it as it is not as long,strenght oriented,not that effective with buffs and has no long charge attack like Ornstein's spear for example.
However i have some tips:
do not trade hits with another spear user,they have too much reach,instead,make some space and wait until they try to make an attack that requires good spacing,while they are in the middle of attack animation they might think they're safe,but that is when you throw your spear and if you get lucky you'll not only get leo ring damage in but also headshot damage,this mostly interrupts anyone even people with hyperarmor.Good to do that when a greatsword user misses their first hit as they will wanna getcha,you can even follow up with 2 r1's and a charge attack if greed overcomes them.
Running attacks are good as always but they must be unexpected,you are not some katana ♥♥♥ with a washing pole,and attacking with a shield up is bad beyond comprehension.
Make it heavy infusion,you will not be mistakeful if you do.
DO NOT TRADE HITS WITH A HYPERARMOR WEAPON(unless it is the very start or end of an attack animation)
Works good with iron flesh.
If you have some helping tips please share them with me.

[alex petricov]

Seems that no one cares about an ideal spartan cosplay weapon.

[The Last Helldiver™]

While the WA is listed as "usable without FP" this seriously ruins the damage. Going from normal damage (~200+ upgraded) to below 50 if you're out of FP. However, the last throw with "insufficient" FP will still do full damage. Having an offhand with simple infusion (like a caestus or what have you) ensures you can throw for full damage every 2 or so seconds if needed.

The throw itself is also fast enough to punish estus, assuming you notice the bottle swig and throw right away.

Due to the curved throw, you can essentially skip terrain if you aim it well enough, and at a certain point of height X distance, the drop will go straight down. Some mastery required but guaranteed headshots if you can aim it well enough.

[alex petricov]

Originally posted by Diokhan Cyriel:

While the WA is listed as "usable without FP" this seriously ruins the damage. Going from normal damage (~200+ upgraded) to below 50 if you're out of FP. However, the last throw with "insufficient" FP will still do full damage. Having an offhand with simple infusion (like a caestus or what have you) ensures you can throw for full damage every 2 or so seconds if needed.

The throw itself is also fast enough to punish estus, assuming you notice the bottle swig and throw right away.

Due to the curved throw, you can essentially skip terrain if you aim it well enough, and at a certain point of height X distance, the drop will go straight down. Some mastery required but guaranteed headshots if you can aim it well enough.

Thanks a lot man,appreciate it.

[Facu]

I was doing a Spartan with the Valorheart and Javelin.....so much fun but so risky. I was with a Northern helm, slave K leggins and the Iron bracelets. Yo utake so much damage from anything!

[alex petricov]

Originally posted by Facu:

I was doing a Spartan with the Valorheart and Javelin.....so much fun but so risky. I was with a Northern helm, slave K leggins and the Iron bracelets. Yo utake so much damage from anything!

As they say,it is about the experience,not about the win.(aka do what you enjoy)

[Facu]

Originally posted by alex petricov:

Originally posted by Facu:

I was doing a Spartan with the Valorheart and Javelin.....so much fun but so risky. I was with a Northern helm, slave K leggins and the Iron bracelets. Yo utake so much damage from anything!

As they say,it is about the experience,not about the win.(aka do what you enjoy)

Well yeah, it was fun and not only that.....i really like the Javelin. But its a shame that in the Arena i dont have that 30% more hp cuz...someone can kill me in 2-3 hits XD

[alex petricov]

Originally posted by Facu:

Originally posted by alex petricov:

As they say,it is about the experience,not about the win.(aka do what you enjoy)

Well yeah, it was fun and not only that.....i really like the Javelin. But its a shame that in the Arena i dont have that 30% more hp cuz...someone can kill me in 2-3 hits XD

Well,that is indeed stupid when you get one-shot by a single sorcery,by the way i would recommend using faraam helmet for fashion souls(if you dont care about your face being closed)

[TyresTyco]

Thank you very much.. I always liked that weapon but considered it a bit hard to handle in pvp. Now I will give it a try again.

Also

Originally posted by Diokhan Cyriel:

While the WA is listed as "usable without FP" this seriously ruins the damage. Going from normal damage (~200+ upgraded) to below 50 if you're out of FP. However, the last throw with "insufficient" FP will still do full damage. Having an offhand with simple infusion (like a caestus or what have you) ensures you can throw for full damage every 2 or so seconds if needed.

Thank you ! I hate myself for being lazy with tests.

[Epithet Lost]

Not to thrash on your enthusiasm, but I'm really not sure what advantage the javelin offers compared to other spears. dragonslayer and gargoyle spears have insane reach, partizan has unique R2 and WA, drang twinspear has superior DPS, dragonslayer swordspear has unique moveset. Whereas the javelin only has a range attack that isn't even that reliable. It doesn't even qualify as a "funny/trolo" weapon because that honor goes to the plow.

[TyresTyco]

Originally posted by Seyfert QSR:

Not to thrash on your enthusiasm, but I'm really not sure what advantage the javelin offers compared to other spears. dragonslayer and gargoyle spears have insane reach, partizan has unique R2 and WA, drang twinspear has superior DPS, dragonslayer swordspear has unique moveset. Whereas the javelin only has a range attack that isn't even that reliable.

I love it to punish running invaders or people chugin estus. Sure there are other more viable items or weapons for that.. but overall it's unique and not useless.

[alex petricov]

Originally posted by Seyfert QSR:

Not to thrash on your enthusiasm, but I'm really not sure what advantage the javelin offers compared to other spears. dragonslayer and gargoyle spears have insane reach, partizan has unique R2 and WA, drang twinspear has superior DPS, dragonslayer swordspear has unique moveset. Whereas the javelin only has a range attack that isn't even that reliable. It doesn't even qualify as a "funny/trolo" weapon because that honor goes to the plow.

Meta chooses whats the best,not what is the most enjoyable,you have the touch,and if you wish to use powerful weapons,use them.

[alex petricov]

Not to mention that this is a breakthrough in from soft's office,they finally made a weapon that is unique and not gimmicky,many weapons have fallen to the fate of restoring 1 hp per hit,restoring 1 hp per secong,restoring one mp per hit,having a worthless buff and etc.

[alex petricov]

Also does anyone know if hawk ring increases the throw range?

[alex petricov]

Originally posted by alex petricov:

Also does anyone know if hawk ring increases the throw range?

Wiki discusions say it does.

[Epithet Lost]

Originally posted by alex petricov:

Meta chooses whats the best,not what is the most enjoyable

But what is so enjoayable about a regular spear with a unique WA though? I'm a heavy drang twinspear user because that is enjoyable to me, because it is an one of a kind; on the contrary the javelin's poke moveset frankly isn't that interesting.
I'm not telling you to stop using the javelin though, just curious about what's the appeal.