DARK SOULS™ III

DARK SOULS™ III

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dragonslayer Jun 20, 2017 @ 12:19pm
Is dark souls 3 a good game?
I've got so many questions about this game and instead of posting new thread every day I'm gonna sum it up all here... Frankly dks community is the most split community I've ever seen. The opinions differ so much it's hard for me to see the truth. From the comments I feel like this game is one big fan service and I'm looking for someone to reassure me...Notice before posting answer keep them spoiler-free and true. I don't need any bragging and similar things, just want a truth... So let's go!

1.LORE: I already know lore has some connections to dks1 and 2 and expands upon that but does it form any kind of new story,characters etc. ? How would you rate it?

2.REUSED ASSETS: I think reusing assets like textures,animation and some design from previous entries make sense but only to a certain point. Does dks3 uses too much of them? Is enemy and level design unique and to what level? In percentage that is (for ex. 73% dks3, 27% older titles).

3.DLC I've heard Ashes of Ariandel is one big gank fest. And that enemy placement is bad. True or is it only sth those who are not good in bigger encounters say? Is it enjoyable ? Are there new enemies in AoA? What do you think about DLC's? Are they on par with Old hunters or Artorias of the Abyss?

4.PATCHES Did patches bring something good in game or changed it somehow? Like maybe a new boss, needed nerfs/buffs? Did you heard any news about future updates?

5.DIFFICULTY Is dks3 hard? How much to previous entries (including Dlc's) ? Where would you put it?

6.GAME OPINION How did you like the game? Are you satisfied with what you have or think it could be better?

7.BLOODBORNE VS. DARK SOULS 3 Now I didn't want to ask this, but in every post that I see everyone recommends bb over dks3... Why is that? While getting high praise as stand-alone game,dks3 compared to bb usually gets, well, bad comments.For me that's just stupid. I think both games are masterpieces and are just like twins- almost same on first sight but so different. In a good way... Yeah bb was breath of fresh air beacuse it introduced new mechanics,engine and setting but that doesn't mean dks3 is inferior. In my book dks3 could've came before and bring 2/3 of same things.

8.ARTSTYLE Is it nice like you would expect from dks game? Do you like the atmosphere? Does it have that dks ''feel'' to it?

9.BOSSES Did they recieve some bigger healthpool via patch since I've heard some of them have too little health. Do you think their health is fine as it is?

10. Is Nameless King one of the harder bosses ( exclude that camera thingy)?

11.LEVELS-I want to know are levels creative,pretty and big with a lot shortcuts? How do they compare to bb levels?Is game linear whole the way or is there some room to breath and take optional route? Is there even little interconnectivity?

12.DKS3 vs. DKS1-So how would you compare dark souls 3 with dark souls 1? Is it close to the quality of first,surpass it or fails?

13.How is the enemy design in ringed city?

14.ITEMIZATION-I've heard dks3 has a lot of weapons,but only thing that matters to me is their quality...So is every weapon in dks3 viable for specific builds?Are there any unique weapons that don't look like typical archetypes and function completely differntly(for instance eye staff that conjure magic ray or sth like that,moonlight sword would be perfect example).

15. COMBAT- Why does everyone say bb combat is better than dks3 combat? when ppl say that I just roll my eyes. It's matter of personal preference, and for ME dks3 has nicer combat with defensive and offensive abilities. Plus spells and weapons can really change your playstyle and how you approach every situation. Bb on the other hand has nicer Transformation feature.


And that's it... I will edit if I think of sth more. I would really appreciate if some soulsborne veterans could answer me in detail...Tnx for your answers in advance!
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LaZe Jun 20, 2017 @ 12:21pm 
Its awesome. Just buy it and play. You won't regret it. If you are a Dark Souls Fan you really should get it.
NilValue Jun 20, 2017 @ 12:34pm 
1.) Pretty good, continues DS1 lore mostly, but also incorporates DS 2 elements. I like it.
2.) Each area is pretty much unique, especially the boss design is far better than in DS2
3.) Ariandel is fine, no gank fest if you know what you do.
4.) Patches sells you items, helps you with Siegward quest and also gives you a gesture XD In all honesty: Mostly balance adjustments and bug fixes. Definitely no new content besides DLCs.
5.) Most people feel that it's quite easy, but that's probably because they played the other entries in the series. Imho DS3 is probably more challenging than the others, althoug I cannot speak for Bloodbourne because PC master race.
6.) Love the PVE. The pvp is quite decent as well but there are a few things they should have kept from DS2. Also the net code in DS2 was a bit better iirc.
7.) Can't really tell.
8.) Yes but it could be a little darker, sth like Tomb of Giants from DS1 for example would be great, too.
9.) Vanilla bosses are a little too easy, but DLC bosses, especially Midir, is a lot of fun :D. Also in later NGs your damage will not grow as much as the boss hp.
10.) Nope
11.) Pretty much yes to all of that.
12.) Far better imho, especially port wise but also in terms of gameplay. Sure there is less "tech" as some like to call it in pvp, but tbh a lot of these tricks didn't really seem intended in the first place.
13.) Good but I'd love a little more variety. They even could have reused some of the vanilla enemies in some places imho.
14.) Yes, especially the variety is great. In PVE anything can work anyway. In PVP however there are some weapons that will be worse or harder to use than others.
15.) Never played BB but from what I could see in LPs it seems quite similar, but I really dislike to get health back by dealing damage or to be able to heal THAT much. Enemies even drop healing items, do they not? The weapon variety seemed quite small to me as well.
ImHelping Jun 20, 2017 @ 12:43pm 
It's pretty good, and if you have not played one of the "Souls" games it is honestly the most new player friendly entry point, with the least amount of wiki knowledge required gameplay mechanics among other QoL made over the years.

DS2 has it's share of mechancis we all miss. But it's also the most divisive one in the series for good reason.

When starting out souls game for the first time. Would you rather..

DS1 and DS3: Have class starts with reasonable stats, and most of them sporting equipment that could even last you all game? I honestly went back to my Warrior Start equipment by the end game my first time through DS1, and the Knight start in DS3 is super solid.

DS2: A lot gimpy for the sake of "It's harder that way!" class starts.
Like the cleric having no pants, and they didn't even give him enough strength to even wield his starting weapon (You could two-hand it, but how would you know that as a new player they pranked you without enough STR to wield your one handed weapon with one hand?).

Would you have enjoyed bloodborne if one of the class starts was "Here is the only class start with a saw cleaver!... Which doesn't doesn't have the right stats for it, LOL hard gamez"

DS1 and DS3: tutorial hands you 5 doses of estus flask to start with. Your refills at checkpoints healing option, which can be upgraded in both usage count and heal stength (DS3 even lets you split it between health and the mana equivilent).

DS2: "Do you like consumables? Oh there is still an estus flask... if you can find it... one dose at a time. Also you use consumables and estus at half speed until you level your 'use items faster' stat a lot"

DS1 and DS3: Equip load and dodge I-frames follow the same rules, The less you wear, the closer you are to ninja flips. The closer you are to ninja flips, the more dodge I frams you have, simple.

DS2: Dodge I frames are now based on an invisible breakpoint that people had to do months of wiki research to discover. You can be doing naked ninja front flips and still have worse I-frames than flopping onto your back like a fatass in DS1 (Such as with the warrior start, who also starts with a broken sword as his class weapon in DS2). Warrior has to spend something like 15-20 levels in the "Use items faster" stat to reach DS1 mid-rill I frames.

Etc, etc. You start with DS2 first mostly if you are going for E Peen of "I started with the one that pranks new players more."

Though the rumors of the DCL seem fairily spot on. A lot of it is nice, but a lot of it is also "So we cranked the health and damage numbers up to 'optional DLC' levels" industry standard.
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Laati (Banned) Jun 20, 2017 @ 1:03pm 
Alright I'll answer all the questions I can!

Lore: It's not as sad as DS1's lore but it is still sad and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up as ever! And is a bit more cryptic. Bosses like Yhorm the Giant have extremely sad yet interesting lore. I won't tell you because i don't want to spoil it! Lots of new stories and you can finally find the first son of Gwyn.. 9/10 for me. DS1 is better for me.

Reused Assets- Hmm there are some but they are not that much I can tell. But there are some like you know that tower in ringed city that was used in promo videos. That tower has reused assets. The statues are the same used in irthyll. IDK the ratio.

DLC - Ashes of ariandel is a bit short but it's still good the friede boss is fun but the champion gravetender was a bit lackluster. Ringed City is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ amazing but has some flaws. For one thing they reused the dragonslayer armor boss in the swamp. Just weaker and does as much damage. Cool armor set thou. The swamp itself is.... bad just a wide space enemies plastered over it. Ringed City (location) looks pretty nice and is a good area. The earthen peak/dreg heap has a really good boss called the demon prince. The area however is filled with "Angels" these bastards shoot beams of light like a M134 minigun jesus christ. You have to steath it which isn't my strong suit in soul games so I just went straight to the demon princes boss. Darkeater Midir is an amazing dragon fight although they should nerf the health pool because jesus ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ christ his health pool is large and his attacks do a ♥♥♥♥ ton of damage. The boss is still good tho. Gael is my favorite since he is a hard fight and a fun one. Ringed city is amazing but flawed and Ariandel is short but good.

Patches- Eh, it's decent enough. They do change the game like buff bosses health, buff some weapons, nerfed some weapons, etc. It's just patches in my opinion. They did do some well needed buffs like the Dark Sword. IDK I don't really know any news about new patches.

Difficultly- It's easier than DS1 and DS2 but it's still difficult.

Game Opinion- ♥♥♥♥ YEAH I LIKE THE GAME! Although they could have buffed the abyss watchers because their health pool is too small. Especially in ng+. Also they could have made it connected like DS1 and not linear so that the world feels more real.

Artstyle - It is beautiful and it does have that dark souls feel to it. I sometimes just do the laying down gesture (keep forgetting it's name) and just stare at the view of irithyll.

Is the nameless king one of the harder bosses- Yeah, it still is however the DLC bosses are much harder.

Levels- Some of the levels like the grand archives seem to be based on the archives in seath's place. While some are completely original like irithyll. And some levels are taken from DS1 like Anor Londo.

DS3 vs DS1 - Extremely hard to decide. It's close to quality of DS1.

How is the enemy design in ringed city- Looks great in my opinion. Although they could have gave the locusts less... weird... faces.

Itemization- Most weapons are made for a specfic build. The Moonlight is made for a INT build. The Onyx Blade is made for a Pyromancer build. Etc. etc. Some weapons like the longsword are used best in a quality build. In fact you can wield most melee weapons that don't have any faith/int requirement with a quality build. Still though to get the most damage capcity like Ledo's GreatHammer you need a strength build.

Combat - the combat is better than DS1's however not sure about bloodborne since I never played it since I don't have a PS4 since I am a PC ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Anyways the combat is great. There is a way to counter every single weapon. Dark Sword? Use range/magic or parry. Greathammer. Use range/magic. etc. etc. However there are some faults and flaws to it. Like the giant door shield. That thing is a pain to deal with. You can counter it by using magic like crystal soul spear but as a melee it's a pain.

Well that is it.... hopefully this helps.

40+13x-3=17x-363 Jun 20, 2017 @ 1:06pm 
Is your question a gud question?
SnusHead Jun 20, 2017 @ 1:31pm 
Lore:

There are many connections to DS1 and some to DS2 but it's mostly fan service and poorly implemented imo (e.g. Siegmeyer "Clone").
Due to the fact that it's mostly fan service it doesn't add that much to the already known story of the game, it just shows you the stuff you already know/suppose again.

Reused Assets:

This is the interesting part.
It feels for me like they tried to combine DS2 and BB but mostly failed.
There are mechanics out of the DS2 combat system (which is slow!) added into DS3 that has overall the speed of the Bloodborne combat system.
For example: The parry timing is more similar to the DS2 parry timing (because you don't have instant parryframes) but this mechanic which is supposed to be used in a slow game like DS2 is added into a fast paced game like DS3 and it just doesn't work that well naturally.

DLCs:

Personally i think AoA was pretty damn disappointing as a DLC and mostly poorly designed.
For 15 bucks i'd like to expect more than a 2 hour DLC in which the only highlight is the bossfight at the end.
Like you already said the enemy placement is crying out for a gank fest and you seriously have to pull every single enemy with a bow if you don't want to get wrecked so that the DLC can be "made longer" artificially.

Patches:

I didn't pay that much attention to patches because i'm not that much of a PvP player but i know that at release, heavy weapons were the absolute worst and poise didn't exist at all (jk it still doesn't exist).
But in its current state i'd say the game is more or less balanced.

Difficulty:

From easiest to hardest:

DS1 - DS2 - DS3

DS1 wasn't challenging at all once you got into it; you have enough opportunities to cheese bosses or get the ultimate op weapon.
The enemies are pretty slow, it's kinda like you play your character with the speed of DS3 but the enemies are still stuck at the speed of DS2, but even slower.
Also parrying is a LOT easier in this game.

DS2 added some fresh new game elements into the game and made the fights more realistic imo (if you ignore the buggy hitboxes) because for example you're not able to panic roll and dodge everything like in DS1 and especially DS3.
You're slower and so are your enemies.

Like i already said DS3 is something like a combination of DS2 and BB and your character moves too slow to be able to fight most enemies the way you did it in DS1/DS2.
If i had to break it down i'd say 80% of fights are like this:
You stunlock them to death or they oneshot you.
The other 20%: Roll spamming.
It's like 2 Assassins are dueling in a MOBA like LoL for example.
Also enemies in DS3 are a lot smarter than in the other games and have more attack patterns which makes them harder ofc.
All these things (and more that i won't list) make DS3 the hardest game in the series.

Game opinion:

I like the game in general and i like the idea of a faster paced combat system but i don't like how they designed it.
The game is not terrible, it's a good game actually, but it's not a good "Dark Souls" game imo.

Artstyle:

I like the atmosphere of the game no doubt about that, they did a great job in simulating a dying world in which people have lost hope.

Bosses:

In general: Still better bosses than most bosses in DS1 and DS2.
They are smarter and can't all be beaten by circeling around them and waiting for an opportunity to R1 (like it was the case in DS1 and 2).
Some of them suck (like Cursed Wood for example) but all in all i'm satisfied with the bosses and their health.

Nameless King:

Not at all.
You just need the right gear and most of his attacks can be predicted fairly easily, especially in his 1st phase.

Levels:

Level design isn't that bad.
It's certainly not as good as the level design in DS1 but it's also not as linear as the level design in DS2.
Although there are some levels that are really only there to delay the progress of the player and don't have any challenge to them whatsoever (Faron keep...); that's always a minus.

DS1 vs DS3:

I like DS1 more no doubt.
They tried to make DS3 the "new DS1 remastered" but they just failed.
It's more like a Bloodborne 2 than a Dark Souls 1 Remastered :steammocking:

Enemy design Ringed City:

Can't complain.
It's alright.

Itemization:

There are many people that will disagree with me but i think that most weapons are just useless especially spears and ultra greatswords/clubs and that there are only a few types of weapons viable for PvE which is a shame and takes a lot of fun out of the game.
Straightsword OP.
Nuff' said.

Combat:

Combat in DS3 often consists of roll-spamming because shields aren't that reliable in DS3 anymore and well, rolls are op (especially in DS3).
I think that takes away the need for good reaction times if you can just spam "invulnerability" rolls and also takes away a lot of the rewarding feeling you get if you kill an enemy but that's just my opinion.
I don't know about mages because i don't play them because i think they are utterly boring to play.

I may add some stuff later but i'm pretty tired now.
Last edited by SnusHead; Jun 20, 2017 @ 1:40pm
RdRStar Jun 20, 2017 @ 2:30pm 
Omg
dxmc Jun 20, 2017 @ 2:45pm 
DS3 is not a good game for players who are focused on PvE and have no interest on PvP. It features dumb AI, poor PvE weapons, boring generic levels and a lot of other problems. But what bothered me the most, I think, is the wild inconsistency between boss fights, with most fights being fairly easy but a few, like Nameless King and Twin Princes, being incredibly difficult, especially for relatively low damage PvE characters. I also found that many non-boss enemies were actually tougher than a lot of the bosses, like outrider knights.

The first DS was the best, the second had poor graphics, confusing level design, dull repetitious boss fights and other problems. But DS3 is the worst of the three. I've played it a lot because it's Dark Souls and even a bad DS game is still better than pretty much anything else. But this one was even more of a dissapointment than the last one.
Serrassi Effect Jun 20, 2017 @ 2:57pm 
too many question. answer is yes its good.
gackie Jun 20, 2017 @ 3:00pm 
I can't be bothered answering all that but the bosses are the best they've ever been in the Souls series, and no, they actually got nerfed somewhat (One boss had 16,000 HP in the beta and now has 5,000). The lore also follows on from DS1. There's not many reused assets, just mainly sound effects and stuff like that. It's a good game. I can't quite describe how it compares to DS1. It's better than DS2 for certain, but DS1 had better story, lore and consistancy. But DS3 is more enjoyable PvE wise.

To everyone saying that it's all fanservice, you need to play Demon's Souls and then DS1. DS1 is 70% DeS.

The DLCs are good and great. No, the first one isn't a gank fest, there certainly is a hell of alot of enemies but they are fairly spread out and the fast paced combat gives you room to breath and take them down easily. The second DLC is my favorite in the series and up there with Bloodmoon and Dragonborn for my favorite DLCs ever. In terms of quality the second one stomps on the first one, because it's three times the length and has twice the bosses.

Overall, DS3 is a good game. But so is every other Souls game. It's better than Demon's Souls and DS2 in my opinion but contested with DS1.
gackie Jun 20, 2017 @ 3:00pm 
Originally posted by ⎛⎝Serrassi Effect⎠⎞:
too many question. answer is yes i'm bad.
Serrassi Effect Jun 20, 2017 @ 3:01pm 
Originally posted by Hat Skeleton!:
Originally posted by ⎛⎝Serrassi Effect⎠⎞:
too many question. answer is yes i'm bad.

your hat is bad.
gackie Jun 20, 2017 @ 3:01pm 
Originally posted by ⎛⎝Serrassi Effect⎠⎞:
Originally posted by Hat Skeleton!:

your hat is bad.
No.
Kaizen Jun 20, 2017 @ 3:01pm 
Good. Bad. Opinions.
It's a game, play it if you wanna.
gackie Jun 20, 2017 @ 3:02pm 
Originally posted by Gameopheliac:
Good. Good. Good.
It's a good, play good if you good.
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