Is the Abyss stronger than Canon "Hell" in Dark Souls?

[CazadorDeLobo]

Considering you stumble upon a Demon who can't keep his pants on, nor the entire lower half of his body for that manner, meanwhile the core theme of the plot revolves around Dark and the Abyss. So which is actually stronger?

Would Hell be stronger if not for Gwyn's onslaught and would it have been more powerful in this game?

What if the Giants actually took over Drangleic? I just wonder if those small changes in past games would have grandly impacted those themes in Dark Souls 3, and what it would be like to see Lost Izalith and Irithyll in the same scenery.

[ēdiššu]

Abyss comes with Dark.

[ēdiššu]

To be alive means to be vulnerable, thus the third way is Way of the Dragon when you can pursue a goal of become an everlasting creature.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Wow none of this has anything to do with what I'm talking about. I presume none of you have played DS1 or DS2.

[Alice]

There IS NO hell is Dark Souls. The Chaos Flame is closer to a nuclear reactor gone wrong, Demons akin to mutants infused with the element of fire. Also yeah the Abyss is stronger then Chaos, but only because the Chaos Flame has been fading for 3 games now, and has not been kindles the same way the First Flame has been, and Humanity is Spawned from Dark, sooo...The natural state of things is coming back.

[Dr. Uncredible]

Aye, the race of demons, and the place you call hell were created when the Witch of Izalith in ancient times tried to keep the age of fire going by creating her own fire.

If you´re not sure, all souls game takes place in the age of fire, an age that will eventually end, but the gods try desperately to keep alive (despite being all but gone in game 3) because it´s essentially their age.

The old witches flame, the lands of Izalith and the race of demons are, like the gods, tied to the age of fire.

The Abyss, and the dark, and surprisingly humanity are tied to The Age of Dark, that will follow the age of fire.

In DS 3 the age of fire is about to collapse, you can very clearly see this in the 2nd dlc where everything outside of the ringed city is just thrown together, the last pices of the age of fire huddled together for warmth.

Which is why the demons in DS 3 are just a few decrepit remnants, barely holding together, and the ruins of Izalith littered in demon corpses.
They´re all but dead, just like the age, you´re just putting them out of their misery.

And the abyss, tied to the dark, has not even fully awoken and still waiting for it´s age.
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TLDR: Yeah.

[Dr. Uncredible]

Originally posted by RevenantKnox:

Originally posted by Chimera:

There IS NO hell is Dark Souls. The Chaos Flame is closer to a nuclear reactor gone wrong, Demons akin to mutants infused with the element of fire. Also yeah the Abyss is stronger then Chaos, but only because the Chaos Flame has been fading for 3 games now, and has not been kindles the same way the First Flame has been, and Humanity is Spawned from Dark, sooo...The natural state of things is coming back.

Well... I disagree with you on certain points.

If you choose to become the Dark Lord, it does start the Age of Dark, but if no one takes the crown, the world fades to ash. (Ashes is probably closer to the Age of Ancients than the Age of Dark.) so the Dark fades as well. The outcome of the world is determined by who claims the Dark Soul. If the Dark Soul is given to the painter girl, then the world fades to ash, but Ariandel lives on. If you abandon the Dark Soul and let it die, there is literally nothing left in the end. If you claim the Dark Soul, you become the Dark Lord.

Interesting point! They never really talk a lot about that.
A bit like Aldrich´s dreams of The Age of Deep Water.
They´ll probably remain hinted at mysteries, but it´s good fuel for thought.

[Vinyltavia]

Humans are beings of the abyss.
Gwyn goofed by inscribing the power of Flame on us, which by the way, was to limit our power, and instead tied us to the curse that he himself created when he sacrificed his being to prolong the Age of Fire.
That's why the world gets more warped for each linking of the Flame is the Dark Soul twisting it as the natural cycle of the Age is prolonging it's own end. The very mistakes of Gwyn is why we keep coming back is that the Age of Fire is coming to an end and we keep either linking the Flame (as so many people try to "guide" us toward that fate.) or we choose for ourselves to tell the Lords to piss right off and break the cycle.

[CazadorDeLobo]

The question is whether the Chaos could overrule the Abyss if both were left to spread.

In Dark Souls 1, the Witch herself sacrificed herself to seal it away, and she is one of the Great Lords. In Dark Souls 2, a Shard of Manus and her powerful King(who is hollow) took the responsibility of sealing away the Chaos by freezing it. In Dark Souls 3 it's pretty much all gone except with the Demon Prince. Izalith was canonical "hell" btw.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Originally posted by RevenantKnox:

Originally posted by CazadorDeLobo:

The question is whether the Chaos could overrule the Abyss if both were left to spread.

The Chaos demons are bound by flame, which is already obviously dying. It is possible that a world of Chaos could be achieved, it is much less likely than an Age of Dark due to the nature of the flame.

You misunderstand. Yes the flame in DS3 is fading etc.... but the Chaos is something entirely different from the Flame. Your understanding of the lore is inaccurate.

If you have context you will understand. If there was no holding the Chaos down in the ways I just described to you, would it have been worse than the Abyss and dark in the lore...

[GetToTheTop]

I'm pretty sure that the abyss is stronger because if we're comparing the two people who went to seal both of them, the ivory king and artorias, because artorias failed and the ivory king succeeded it would make sense that the chaos or "hell" is weaker because it has been sealed away before unlike the abyss.