Best Build For Blessed Lothric Knight Greatsword?

[BinSoBad]

I am on NG+ and want to change to the LKGS, plan on going to level 130 and have my stats planned as such. 35vigor/10attune/35end/18vit/26str/35dex/10int/40fai/10luck. I started as deprived. Using the chloranthy ring, ring of favor, prisoners chain and havels rings. Also using the bountiful light spell for extra regen. My question is, are those the ideal stats to have for such a build or can I do better somehow?

Thanks!
- BinSoBad

[𝓡𝓮𝓽𝓻𝓸𝓒𝓪𝓽]

What exactly are you trying to make? Are you going for a full regen build, or do you just want the damage from the LKGS?

[BinSoBad]

I am going to replace the havels ring with the sun princess ring and use a blessed cestus in my off-hand, so a regen build I guess? More for PvE than anything, just want something different.

This is my intended build minus armor choices: https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/344598

[𝓡𝓮𝓽𝓻𝓸𝓒𝓪𝓽]

Here's an optimized build for you. Make changes where you think necessary, though this is how I would personally run it.

SL 125 Deprived

Vigor: 40
Attunement: 10
Endurence: 34
Vitality: 10
Strength: 24
Dexterity: 16
Intelligence: 10
Faith: 60
Luck: 10

R1: Blessed Lothric Knight Greatsword (696 AR)
R2: Lightning Dagger (324 AR)
L1: Blessed Caestus
L2: Canvas Talisman

Armor:
Maiden Hood
Maiden Robe
Maiden Gloves
Maiden Skirt

Rings:
Ring of Favor +3
Chloranthy Ring +3
Sun Princess Ring
Hornet Ring

Spells:
Bountiful Light

[John Trollsten]

Originally posted by Alucard:

Here's an optimized build for you. Make changes where you think necessary, though this is how I would personally run it.

SL 125 Deprived

Vigor: 40
Attunement: 10
Endurence: 34
Vitality: 10
Strength: 24
Dexterity: 16
Intelligence: 10
Faith: 60
Luck: 10

R1: Blessed Lothric Knight Greatsword (696 AR)
R2: Lightning Dagger (324 AR)
L1: Blessed Caestus
L2: Canvas Talisman

Armor:
Maiden Hood
Maiden Robe
Maiden Gloves
Maiden Skirt

Rings:
Ring of Favor +3
Chloranthy Ring +3
Sun Princess Ring
Hornet Ring

Spells:
Bountiful Light

his one is better though...

[Lord of Cinder]

LKGS scales best with dex. If I were you, I'd make it sharp with enough faith to have blessed weapon buff. You only need 16 strength to two hand it and with sharp you simply get more damage per point than you would with strength even to meet the minimal requirements for one handing. Even at 70+ dex LKGS can get like 3 dmg per dex point.

Besides, why would you ever one hand this weapon?

If you infuse blessed, you cannot buff. However, a sharp LKGS can be buffed so you get more dmg as well as a small regen. If you aim for regen build I'd only go up to 25 faith for Bountiful Light. Imho, Bountiful Sunlight is overkill which also requires 2 attunement slots and 35 faith.

[𝓡𝓮𝓽𝓻𝓸𝓒𝓪𝓽]

Originally posted by John Trollsten:

Originally posted by Alucard:

Here's an optimized build for you. Make changes where you think necessary, though this is how I would personally run it.

SL 125 Deprived

Vigor: 40
Attunement: 10
Endurence: 34
Vitality: 10
Strength: 24
Dexterity: 16
Intelligence: 10
Faith: 60
Luck: 10

R1: Blessed Lothric Knight Greatsword (696 AR)
R2: Lightning Dagger (324 AR)
L1: Blessed Caestus
L2: Canvas Talisman

Armor:
Maiden Hood
Maiden Robe
Maiden Gloves
Maiden Skirt

Rings:
Ring of Favor +3
Chloranthy Ring +3
Sun Princess Ring
Hornet Ring

Spells:
Bountiful Light

his one is better though...

How so?... If you're seeing something I'm not, by all means explain it in full detail. I'm legitimately curious how

[John Trollsten]

Originally posted by Alucard:

Originally posted by John Trollsten:

his one is better though...

How so?... If you're seeing something I'm not, by all means explain it in full detail

sure mate. His one has more stamina even if i give your build 5 more level in endurance (since your build is 125 and his is 130). Currently he also does more damage with his build, but that changes if you use your 5 points in more dex. Last but not least he can wear more with his build since he has alot better vitality and better ring choices.

[𝓡𝓮𝓽𝓻𝓸𝓒𝓪𝓽]

Originally posted by John Trollsten:

Originally posted by Alucard:

How so?... If you're seeing something I'm not, by all means explain it in full detail

sure mate. His one has more stamina even if i give your build 5 more level in endurance (since your build is 125 and his is 130). Currently he also does more damage with his build, but that changes if you use your 5 points in more dex. Last but not least he can wear more with his build since he has alot better vitality and better ring choices.

No, the stamina cap is 160. At 34 Endurance along with the Ring of Favor +3, you're satisfying the 160 Stamina cap, so those extra points in stamina are going to waste that he could put in other areas. Diminishing returns.

The damage difference is very small. It's 8 points, which is basically nothing at all. That 8 extra points aren't going to be killing enemies in one less hit. All in all, armor doesn't matter in this game. Prisoner's Chain is actually a very poor choice at higher levels, it's a wasted ring slot, which is why I took it out.

I replaced it with something that's ultimately going to better the build. If he's going to use the Caestus anyways, he might as well use a Hornet Ring instead of the Prisoner's Chain and equipt a Lightning Dagger to deal more riposte damage. If he wants heavier armor, he can replace the Hornet Ring with Havel's Ring +3, but armor mitigates damage slightly, so he may as well wear something lighter unless it's just for the fashion of course.

[John Trollsten]

Originally posted by Alucard:

No, the stamina cap is 160. At 34 Endurence along with the Ring of Favor +3, you're satisfying the 160 Stamina cap, so those extra points in stamina are going to waste that he could put in other areas.

The damage difference is very small. It's 8 points, which is basically nothing at all. That 8 extra points isn't going to be killing an enemy in one less hit. All in all, armor doesn't matter in this game. Prisoner's Chain is actually a very poor choice at higher levels, it's a wasted ring slot, which is why I took it out.

I replaced it with something that's ultimately going to better the build. If he's going to use the Caestus anyways, he might as well use a Hornet Ring instead of the Prisoner's Chain and equipt a Lightning Dagger to deal more riposte damage. If he wants heavier armor, he can replace the Hornet Ring with Havel's Ring +3, but armor mitigates damage slightly, so he may as well wear something lighter unless it's just for the fashion of course.

I literally have your builds side by side and he has 179 stamina while you have 161. Its not only that he has a little more dmg output than you do, but since he go this damage through str,dex and faith while you only got it from faith, he also has better defences against physical attacks.

Prisoners chain is not a poor choice for a 130 lvl build. He can still change the chloranthy ring for a hornet ring since that ring is the actual bad choice out of the 4. With your 10 vitality even the havels ring +3 wont make a big difference. He can wear alot better armor with alot better poise

[𝓡𝓮𝓽𝓻𝓸𝓒𝓪𝓽]

Originally posted by John Trollsten:

Originally posted by Alucard:

No, the stamina cap is 160. At 34 Endurence along with the Ring of Favor +3, you're satisfying the 160 Stamina cap, so those extra points in stamina are going to waste that he could put in other areas.

The damage difference is very small. It's 8 points, which is basically nothing at all. That 8 extra points isn't going to be killing an enemy in one less hit. All in all, armor doesn't matter in this game. Prisoner's Chain is actually a very poor choice at higher levels, it's a wasted ring slot, which is why I took it out.

I replaced it with something that's ultimately going to better the build. If he's going to use the Caestus anyways, he might as well use a Hornet Ring instead of the Prisoner's Chain and equipt a Lightning Dagger to deal more riposte damage. If he wants heavier armor, he can replace the Hornet Ring with Havel's Ring +3, but armor mitigates damage slightly, so he may as well wear something lighter unless it's just for the fashion of course.

I literally have your builds side by side and he has 179 stamina while you have 161. Its not only that he has a little more dmg output than you do, but since he go this damage through str,dex and faith while you only got it from faith, he also has better defences against physical attacks.

Prisoners chain is not a poor choice for a 130 lvl build. He can still change the chloranthy ring for a hornet ring since that ring is the actual bad choice out of the 4. With your 10 vitality even the havels ring +3 wont make a big difference. He can wear alot better armor with alot better poise

I'm not going to argue Stamina with you, read this. It's game mechanics about soft caps. You only gain 10 extra Stamina through 40-99 endurance in the game despite what the counter tells you that you have. But with that being said, ROF may allow you to get one extra hit because I think it actually allows you to break past the cap. But not necessary with the Chloranthy Ring imo. But to each their own
https://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Endurance

Yes, but that's also completely unnecessary. If he's making a pure regen build and that's all he wants, those other stats are unnecessary unless he plans on going with Sharp and buffing instead. Otherwise, just go with Faith. More Faith also makes the Dagger stronger so he can potentially one shot people if he plans to do some PVP. Better resistances, but not better enough to make a huge difference.

Prisoner's Chain is a bad choice at higher levels, the Ring of Favor is just a better Prisoner's Chain and it's a wasted ring slot. Having your stamina recover more quickly is more useful than 5 stat points in Vigor, Endurance, and Vitality that he doesn't need. Since he's using a UGS, I'd say the Chloranthy Ring is one of the most important rings since UGSs eat up a ton of stamina per swing.

[John Trollsten]

Originally posted by Alucard:

I'm not going to argue Stamina with you, read this. It's game mechanics about soft caps. You only gain 10 extra Stamina through 40-99 endurance in the game despite what the counter tells you that you have.
https://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Endurance

Yes, but that's also completely unnecessary. If he's making a pure regen build and that's all he wants, those other stats are unnecessary unless he plans on going with Sharp and buffing instead. Otherwise, just go with Faith. More Faith also makes the Dagger stronger so he can potentially one shot people if he plans to do some PVP. Better resistances, but not better enough to make a huge difference.

Prisoner's Chain is a bad choice at higher levels, the Ring of Favor is just a better Prisoner's Chain and it's a wasted ring slot. Having your stamina recover more quickly is more useful than 5 stat points in Vigor, Endurance, and Vitality that he doesn't need. Since he's using a UGS, I'd say the Chloranthy Ring is one of the most important rings since UGSs eat up a ton of stamina per swing.

If that stamina point is true it only makes his build even better when he uses those endurance points in dex and vitality instead to get even more dmg and more equip load.

His dagger is also stronger than yours. Lightning infusion caps at 40 and you dont get a lot of AR in return per point, so spending points in dex instead of faith is better once you hit 40 faith. 20 points better physical defences is a big enough difference.

While its true that ring of favor is better than prisoners chain on high SL, thats not an argument for not using prisoners chain LOL. Just use both .... 15 extra levels still beat most other ring effects. The extra stamina regen through the chloranthy ring in ds3 is so low you wont even realise the difference between wearing it and not wearing it.

The biggest point why his build is better is that he is literally everything your build is just better in some aspects like damage, armor and defences. I fail to see what upside your build has over OPs build. It is also irrelevant how big of a difference armor is compared to rags ... it can only be a marginal difference, but thats still something his build has over your build. Your build has to show something in return that justifies running around in rags, but like i said i fail to see in which aspect your build is better.

[𝓡𝓮𝓽𝓻𝓸𝓒𝓪𝓽]

Originally posted by John Trollsten:

Originally posted by Alucard:

I'm not going to argue Stamina with you, read this. It's game mechanics about soft caps. You only gain 10 extra Stamina through 40-99 endurance in the game despite what the counter tells you that you have.
https://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Endurance

Yes, but that's also completely unnecessary. If he's making a pure regen build and that's all he wants, those other stats are unnecessary unless he plans on going with Sharp and buffing instead. Otherwise, just go with Faith. More Faith also makes the Dagger stronger so he can potentially one shot people if he plans to do some PVP. Better resistances, but not better enough to make a huge difference.

Prisoner's Chain is a bad choice at higher levels, the Ring of Favor is just a better Prisoner's Chain and it's a wasted ring slot. Having your stamina recover more quickly is more useful than 5 stat points in Vigor, Endurance, and Vitality that he doesn't need. Since he's using a UGS, I'd say the Chloranthy Ring is one of the most important rings since UGSs eat up a ton of stamina per swing.

If that stamina point is true it only makes his build even better when he uses those endurance points in dex and vitality instead to get even more dmg and more equip load.

His dagger is also stronger than yours. Lightning infusion caps at 40 and you dont get a lot of AR in return per point, so spending points in dex instead of faith is better once you hit 40 faith. 20 points better physical defences is a big enough difference.

While its true that ring of favor is better than prisoners chain on high SL, thats not an argument for not using prisoners chain LOL. Just use both .... 15 extra levels still beat most other ring effects. The extra stamina regen throguh the chloranthy ring in ds3 is so low you wont even realise the difference between wearing it and not wearing it.

The biggest point why his build is better is that he is literally everything your build is just better in some aspects like damage, armor and defences. I fail to see what upside your build has over OPs build. It is also irrelevant how big of a difference armor is compared to rags ... it can only be a marginal difference, but thats still something his build has over your build. Your build has to show something in return that justifice running around in rags, but like i said i fail to see in which aspect your build is better.

Well like I said, that damage is extremely marginal. 8AR isn't going to allow you to net any KOs with any fewer hits. The only reason I went with a full blown 60 Faith was that 8AR isn't really much to fret about and I thought perhaps, later on, he'd want to use a different Miracle instead. But as I said, if he's planning on instead going with Sharp and then buffing, that requires stats in different places anyways.

While it's true that there's no reason why he really shouldn't use the Prisoner's Chain, I thought he'd like something else that would help mitigate the hungry stamina usage of a UGS. 11 more stamina regen as a whole might save you around 1-2 seconds of regen time and may be able to afford you an extra roll. Me taking out the Prisoner's Chain for the Hornet Ring was just a personal choice because I just don't think it's all that necessary at higher SLs. If you do, more power to you. You said that basically any marginal difference matters? You get 30% more on riposte damage opposed to losing minor stats in some areas.

Alright, so you said you fail to see which aspect my build is better in, and marginal differences do count? Well, by running a Hornet Ring over the Prisoner's Chain, he could potentially net a KO that may ultimately win him a match. It's also good for certain bosses like Pontiff and Gundry since they can be parried.

A marginal difference? Sure. But as you said, even though it's marginal, it's still a difference. All in all, this was more or less a rough template that I whipped up in like 2 minutes for the OP that wasn't necessarily optimized but was meant to give him some rough ideas of what to incorporate into his build. If his stats are more fine-tuned, awesome. If he got something out of it that helped him, even marginally, then that's good enough for me.