Is there any way to Disconnect Invaders that just Run Away.....

[Antearz]

As Title Says.
Got this Several times lately.

Invader comes in.
Attacks me.
Takes some Hits and apparently decides hes not good enough and just Runs away.

Either Hiding atop some ladder where I cant get up without him easily killing me.
Or hiding on some Mini Boss of the Area so he can easily kill me while the Boss is keeping me Busy.


Thus me basicly staring at him for 20 minutes till they finally get bored of it (or in one case me being Invaded by a Violet Spirit which first killed the other guy and then killed me as he was apparently more brave and more skilled than the Red Guy.....)




Is there any way to get rid of these ?
You cant use Bonfire or Homeward Bone.

[Antearz]

Originally posted by Pariah:

There are all sorts of tools available to one, when it comes to dealing with invaders. Use a bow? Barf toxin at them? Throw ♥♥♥♥ at them and let them know how you feel about their behaviour? Go summon all the phantoms (folks tend to /hate/ this tactic)? Get creative!

I always make sure to visit the Shrine and top-up my Seeds, after being invaded.

There is also playing unembered until you attain SL~lolwtfmate? After SL300, there are far fewer instances of invasions, even in covenant zones. The golden Winged Knights, at the top of Lothric Castle, are a great place to farm souls.


And, of course, there's always the traditional response to these topics with a good ol' fashioned "GIT GUD YAH FOOKIN SCRUB!" (joking aside, you will figure out how to overcome this obstacle of getting invaded by numpties, in time)

1.
I dont know where to get Toxin stuff when your a New Player and just Entered High Walls of Lothric etc.
2.
A Bow does not deal anywhere close to enough Damage to be a Threat and can be Blocked/Evaded easily while running away.
3.
Doing that but I actually think many of the Griefers actually take it as a Badge of Honor if the Guys they Invade in the Newbe Areas get Angry about them.
They are Griefers. Their Target is to Grief People.
They care neither about cost nor about profit.
They have Fun if they make People unhappy.
Thats why I am not Interested in Playing their Waiting Games or even bothering to Deal with them.
4.
Actually as I said.
I seem to have solved the Problem by simply being lvl 45 and above.
All the Griefers seem to be sitting at 30 or less levels so they can Invade low level Players in High Walls etc.
So after that I am just not getting invaded anymore.
5.
You can keep the Tradional Response.
There is nothing to Git Gud about someone hiding behind a Mini Boss or hiding atop a Ladder.




The Problem is and stays.
An Invader can Block your Progress entirely by simply Running away.
And as an Invader will not Aggro any Mobs he can do that very easily.
Even with Seeds he only Aggros NPCs for about 30-45 Seconds.
So he can just keep Running.
He is not in Danger to get Stuck and have a Train of Enemies behind him. Since after the Times up he becomes Friendly with them again.

And even if just constantly throw Phantoms at him.
He keeps wasting your time.
Forcing you to wait.

And thats exactly what I am not Interested in doing.

[General Malarky]

So use your Dark Sign (or w/e it is) or jump off a ledge and don't deal with them at all. Or don't ember. If that is the attitude you are taking, then simply do not play their game.

You do get your Way of Blue early on, for whatever that is worth.

[JulyO_o]

Originally posted by Sunleader:

Also.
Actually alot of the Behavior is against the EULA.

""
Impede or disrupt the Game or the normal flow of Game play or dialogue or use vulgar language,
abusiveness, excessive shouting (e.g., ALL CAPS), “spamming,” or any other disruptive or detrimental
methods in an attempt to disturb other users of the Game.
""

Aka hiding behind Mobs and Wasting the Time of other Players by standing atop a Ladder.
etc etc.
Anything that Disrupts the Normal Flow of the Game. :)

No, invasion is part of normal flow of the game just like summoning is part of normal flow of the game. Moving your character around with the moveset given to you by the game is part of the normal flow of the game, just like it is for others to do the same thing.

What the EULA aims to exclude is disruption from the game (not within the game itself), so sending unsolicited message, shouting through mic, etc...

An invader in your world does not prevent you to progress through an area in any way.

Originally posted by Sunleader:

"""
Use or exploit any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to or use of the Game or
to gain an unfair advantage over other players of the Game.
"""

Aka using Twinks or having your Connection Lag on Purpose so your Harder to Hit.
Or using any Map Bugs to reach Places your not Supposed to be in etc etc.
Anything that gives you an Advantage by Cheesing the Game Mechanics.

That's just assuming that the possibility to twink is the result of a design flow (e.g. be able to invade different NGs or something similar), which is going to be hard to prove whether it is intended or flawed.

By that logic you could say that expecting 1v1s at the bonfire as a host against an invader is against EULA because you have 30% more health and twice the estus.

But I doubt any of this falls into the category of design flow/bug/error despite presenting "unfair advantage".

[Taco Cat]

Don't worry OP, some of us will wait an hour or more if they do something like that, teaches them a good lesson.

One time I msged someone just waiting out in the level (I was a solo host) and so I msged him/her saying I can wait for an hour or more. He/she ended up coming to me and giving me his/her back.

Just ♥♥♥ in-game and be done with it if you're not up for it.

[JulyO_o]

Originally posted by TacoCat:

Just ♥♥♥ in-game and be done with it if you're not up for it.

That would give the invader a reward, and OP clearly cares way too much to give it them, nevermind how small the reward is.

[cridus]

use the Way of Blue covenant? to send someone after the invader? duh
you can also summon people and send them home when the invader dies. they do get some souls for it.

[rkjesseryu]

This isn't minecraft.
use ANY of the methods anyone here has talked about.
YOU need to deal with it. Learn to play it.
Hell you could just ask someone to help you practice. In DS2 i couldn't get use to how slow it was, I made a friend, and practiced like a mofo.

[Mizurazu]

Originally posted by cridus:

use the Way of Blue covenant? to send someone after the invader? duh
you can also summon people and send them home when the invader dies. they do get some souls for it.

OP has a broken copy of the game where nothing suggested in this thread works aside from alt+f4

[Unredemption]

it's important to remember not to give up, if you're a skeleton

[Antearz]

I really wonder how I practice to not have cowards run away from me and waste my time.

But if anything.
I never used Alt+F4 even once.
But after seeing the pitiful attempts of Griefers in this topic to somehow justify their exploiting of game mechanics.
I am closer and closer to actually just pull the network cable next time.

I get the feeling that DCing really annoys these Griefers.
And it might be worth actually using a way of white circlet.

[Xengre]

Originally posted by Sunleader:

Originally posted by Xengre:

Just ignore the invader? There aren't any ladders in the game progressing forward that I can think of off the top of my head where an invader could pose an issue and there is only the Dragonslayer Armor in Ringed City (u can do it later if u need to or unembered) and the Frost Knights #2 & 3... this leaves 99.99% of the game where this isn't an issue. Just keep progressing and ignore them if they wont come near you.

They aren't violating any rules in the EULA btw... lol

Again pls Read what others Post entirely before just Answering the last Post and thus missing most of the stuff.


The Tactic that annoys me on Red Phantoms.
Is that the moment we Engage they Run away.
Either to a Ladder or to NPC Mobs.

If you Ignore them they will follow you and wait till your in Combat with a Stronger NPC to then Join the Fight.
If you turn around to engage them. They just run away. Back to the Ladder or Mini Boss that they use for hiding.

And actually especially in the Early Game like High Walls of Lothric there actually is Ladders Blocking your way to the Boss until you Unlocked the Shortcut.

Which is another thing you didnt read.
Because we Talk about Griefer Scum that is Invading the Newbe Areas often Equipped with stuff that you wont get before your 5-10 Areas further and which has kept its level down being full PvP Equipped. So they can Invade low Level Players in the Newbe Areas.
Joke to be Told. I have not been Invaded a Single Time after reaching lvl 45.
Which is not that Surprising. Because my lower lvl Invasion Range has Passed 30
And above lvl 30 you cant Invade Newbes on lvl 15-20 anymore so the vast Majority of Invaders seems to stick below that.



Also.
Actually alot of the Behavior is against the EULA.

""
Impede or disrupt the Game or the normal flow of Game play or dialogue or use vulgar language,
abusiveness, excessive shouting (e.g., ALL CAPS), “spamming,” or any other disruptive or detrimental
methods in an attempt to disturb other users of the Game.
""

Aka hiding behind Mobs and Wasting the Time of other Players by standing atop a Ladder.
etc etc.
Anything that Disrupts the Normal Flow of the Game. :)


"""
Use or exploit any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to or use of the Game or
to gain an unfair advantage over other players of the Game.
"""

Aka using Twinks or having your Connection Lag on Purpose so your Harder to Hit.
Or using any Map Bugs to reach Places your not Supposed to be in etc etc.
Anything that gives you an Advantage by Cheesing the Game Mechanics.

How about you read before posting. I answered your OP, not some other random post and covered what you brought up.

There are not really many "stronger NPCs/mobs" in this game or ladders where this can even OCCUR. The few spots there are, which is exceedingly rare (like 2% of the game maybe?) you can just do it not embered or not summon for once since the only way you tend to get invaded is by having multiple players.

This game has almost no mini bosses and has very few ladders so this is a very rare issue. In those cases I have told you how to deal with the situation. Not my fault you want your hand held and still complain or refuse to listen to advice.

Who cares about them and normal mobs. It is literally you + at least 1-3 phantoms and you are worried about 1 guy and some braindead normal mobs stopping your group? /facepalm Even if it was just you who cares? You can literally run past the mobs if you suck that bad at the game and can't handle the invader + mob like most other people.

No, High Wall has one VERY TINY ladder advancing to the boss. It has a ladder at the mimic spot, off to the side (two ladders, take the one opposite of the invader???? DUH) on an optional route. This ladder is right next to the bonfire... so if by some chance you do actually manage to die on this stupid tiny ladder the next time you are guaranteed to reach it before any invader possibly could.

Maybe your weapon upgrade is lagging behind or ahead what it should be at SL45? Maybe you are in a less popular spot or at SL45 in an area where most people aren't around that level (google level/upgrade by area to see if you overleveled early).

It doesn't matter if they have gear from the final boss in the DLC or end of the game. Despite a lot of morons complaining on forums about "twinks" and "end-game gear" that gear isn't better. Those people are just idiots who haven't looked at the stats to see it is the SAME. In fact, a large number of the best pvp weapons in the game are found on High Wall and other earlier areas...

Well communicating isn't a thing in Dark Souls 3 so they aren't violating that. Invading someone's game and using hit and run tactics, goofing off, etc. aren't against the rules, either. Sorry, but they can literally throw a knife and 50 other items, spam arrows from across the map and crossbow bolts, and that would not be considered a violation of any sort. Tough. Guess ur gonna have to git gud.

I don't think I have ever seen anyone in places they shouldn't be in DS3... kinda pointless since magic is worthless and bows/crossbows are generally worthless for actual dmg in pvp as well meaning u want to be in melee range lol... Hard to make a case against lag because this game has notoriously BAD netcode. Twinks do not exist in DS3, only in DS1 & 2. Learn more about the game before you try to argue otherwise just FYI.

Nope, using choke points like bridges to knock people off, ladders to knock people off, or mobs to counter out host advantages (especially if they have phnatoms which they almost always do because that is how match making works) are 100% ok. In fact, the game even has an item specifically designed to help counter excessive mob griefing called the "Seed" which turns mobs against invaders just like the host and phantoms and you can get them at the start of the game. It also has a spell that does similar effect called Rapport that is single target per cast.

LOLOLOL "cheesing" a video game with a non-exploit efficient method has never been against the rules in any video game ever. Cheesing is effectively the "legitimate/legal" version of exploiting a game's design flaw/mechanic and is allowed even in multi-million dollar competitive game tournaments.

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Originally posted by Pariah:

There are all sorts of tools available to one, when it comes to dealing with invaders. Use a bow? Barf toxin at them? Throw ♥♥♥♥ at them and let them know how you feel about their behaviour? Go summon all the phantoms (folks tend to /hate/ this tactic)? Get creative!

I always make sure to visit the Shrine and top-up my Seeds, after being invaded.

There is also playing unembered until you attain SL~lolwtfmate? After SL300, there are far fewer instances of invasions, even in covenant zones. The golden Winged Knights, at the top of Lothric Castle, are a great place to farm souls.


And, of course, there's always the traditional response to these topics with a good ol' fashioned "GIT GUD YAH FOOKIN SCRUB!" (joking aside, you will figure out how to overcome this obstacle of getting invaded by numpties, in time)

can't really barf toxin unless you already have it on hand. Can't use bonfires with invaders around. Fairly certain you can't enter boss rooms either, but I could be wrong.

That's the problem here- invaders can effectively halt all progress just by running from you, which they can do very easily because nothing aggros on them unless you use the giant seed.

Nope, you can enter boss fogs with any number of invaders around. It is a method utilized by hosts regularly in invasions when they are losing they just run to the boss fog and go in. Actually, the very COUNTER to invaders who use hit and run tactics and keep a distance or try to hide behind specific mobs is to run past the trouble areas and just continue exploring/running to boss fog and ignoring invader. This literally invalidates the invader's existence.

[Unredemption]

Originally posted by Sunleader:

But after seeing the pitiful attempts of Griefers in this topic to somehow justify their exploiting of game mechanics.
I am closer and closer to actually just pull the network cable next time.

you seem incredibly intolerant of differing opinions.

[Raiden]

I don't think he has agreed with anyone yet.
So far this discussion is still a Salt-Induced Rant Post, a day later, even.

[Antearz]

Wow.
Someone is very Butthurt and once more didnt read properly.
Invasions Stopped once I hit 45.
They didnt start then.
And I am long past High Walls.
Also High Walls has 2 Ladders to reach the Boss till you open the Shortcut. And a Simple Lothric Knight or Winged Knight is easily enough to give an immense advantage in that lvl range.
Its also hilarious to claim that a Longsword you get as Starting Weapon and which at that point is maybe +1 would be Equal to a +3 Frostbite Sword.

I am really allergic to Bullcrab.
So all these attempts to not only justify Griefing as allowed but even trying to give it the morale high ground are making me sick.




And I am intolerant ?

Can you blame me?
I apologize if you think I am not very tolerant on you.

But seriously.
I am feeling like I am talking to *** offenders which claim that its the Womens fault she got ra*** because she didnt dress like a Nun.....
And that it would be perfectly legal.and right to **** her because she was clearly a ****** dressing like that....

And its Disgusting me to no End.

[Taco Cat]

A +3 irithyll ss (equivalent to a +6 weapon in this case) cannot be matched with a +1 longsword. Only +0 to +2 can be matched with a +1 longsword.