If Doomguy was in Dark Souls 1,2, or 3.

[Laati]

2016 or DOS version of Doomguy I don't care.

What if Doomguy was in DS1, DS2, or DS3.

Would he rip and tear through hollows and bosses?
Or...
..IDK?

[Vinyltavia]

Signeow the Cat eredeti hozzászólása:

You underestimate just how powerful the Dark Souls characters are and overestimate Doomguy's durability. He is certainly a force to be reackoned with and is nigh unstoppable within his own universe, but his universe is actually relatively low powered compared to most. Conventional firearms can kill demons in his universe. Additionally, while it takes a few hits, those same conventional firearms can kill Doomguy if they hit him. Considering he can run at 700 mph, they usually don't, which is probably one of the reasons he is so effective. However, Dark Souls characters are monstrously more powerful by the time mid and lategame roll around. They are able to tank hits from lava, lighting, weaponized sunlight, and both dish out and shrug off blows that could shatter planets. You forget, the player and most npcs are not human. They are Undead or Unkindled with supernatural toughness and strength, whose souls can, by endgame, literally power the sun. Hell, by the time the Ashen One fights Gael, the entire world has literally been reduced to ash and Gael has consumed the souls of nearly every single inhabitant. I am not knocking Doomguy and thorougly love his series, but he isn't strong enough to handle more than the early game enemies in the Dark Souls series, not without adapting and improving to meet the new challenge, which I am convinced he could indeed do.

Let's take a look at the arsenal he can carry naturally.

• Praetor Armor
  
• Pistol.
  
• Shotgun
  
• Assault Rifle
  
• Pulse Rifle
  
• SUPER SHOTGUN
  
• Chaingun
  
• CHAINSAW
  
• Grenades
  
• BFG9000
  
• Maybe something i left out here.
  
• Oh yeah he has a Rocket Launcher too.

His natural run speed is already one thing; his ability to carry all this ♥♥♥♥ and run as fast as he does with what he has is also pretty nuts (since he's always carrying this ♥♥♥♥ naturally and swapping on the fly as he needs to). Both have a mechanic that feed off the foes they've slain. Hellenergy for Doomguy; Souls for the Undead. It's noted also at some point doomguy does have a degree of use with martial weapons as entries dictates the Doom Slayer used a sword and shield to crush Hell's Legions as well (see the last mission in DOOM 2016 as note of the ♥♥♥♥ he killed before you jump into the "mouth").
I like Dark Souls and I like DOOM. It's at least worth noting that Doomguy has been murdering the denizens of Hell for roughly about 500 years. Meanwhile our Chosen Undead/Unkindled Ash rises from time to time to complete a purpose and right back in oven the bonfire we go. It's not to say they're washed up or unskilled, but they definitely don't have the time or experience that others would or should have.
it's also worth noting that if Doomguy ever touches a BERSERK Pack, it's going to be Raining Blood.
In Short, it's gonna be massive levels of Rocket Tag.
edit: OH YEAH HE DOES HAVE A ROCKET LAUNCHER.
EditEdditandEddyit: Obligatory Doom song posting.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kjIVkl34Vig

[Average Citizen (Not FBI)]

Vinyltavia eredeti hozzászólása:

In Short, it's gonna be massive levels of Rocket Tag.
edit: OH YEAH HE DOES HAVE A ROCKET LAUNCHER.

Doom weapons, power ups, gear, etc. don't exist in the Dark Souls universe. There's no evidence that even if Doomchum teleported to Dark Souls with an endgame arsenal that said arsenal would be functional on a fundamental physics level. Doomchad is dependent upon said carried gear and temporary powerups for basic survival.

The idea that "oh he's from a more technologically advanced society so he could just cook up the ammo/technology he needs to succeed like he was some sort of chemistry/nuclear physics expert on-site!" is a logical fallacy on multiple levels. It's the same idiocy that medieval enthusiasts fall prey to when they imagine getting spontaneously transported to medieval Europe; that somehow their knowledge of RPGs and HEMA from youtube would give them some leverage over medieval peasantry, when it wouldn't. There's no internet in Hastings in 1066, fatass, nobody even speaks your language.

[gackie]

Average Citizen (Not FBI) eredeti hozzászólása:

Vinyltavia eredeti hozzászólása:

In Short, it's gonna be massive levels of Rocket Tag.
edit: OH YEAH HE DOES HAVE A ROCKET LAUNCHER.

Doom weapons, power ups, gear, etc. don't exist in the Dark Souls universe. There's no evidence that even if Doomchum teleported to Dark Souls with an endgame arsenal that said arsenal would be functional on a fundamental physics level. Doomchad is dependent upon said carried gear and temporary powerups for basic survival.

He doesn't need weapons. All he needs is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ A and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ B.

[Signeow the Cat]

I'm not pulling my claims out of nowhere. Doomguy is objectively weaker than the midgame and lategame Dark Souls characters. He is extremely powerful, yes, but his universe is actually relatively weak compared to the Dark Souls one. You woefully underestimate how powerful the Dark Souls characters are, by a huge margin.

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Doomguy#Doom%20(2016)

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Ashen_One

Extra Edit: In regards to the claim that the Ashen One doesn't have the experience that Doomguy has, the Soul of Cinder has the collective power and experience of uncountable thousands of Lords of Cinder, and the Ashen One beats him.

[Vinyltavia]

Signeow the Cat eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm not pulling my claims out of nowhere. Doomguy is objectively weaker than the midgame and lategame Dark Souls characters. He is extremely powerful, yes, but his universe is actually relatively weak compared to the Dark Souls one. You woefully underestimate how powerful the Dark Souls characters are, by a huge margin.

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Doomguy#Doom%20(2016)

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Ashen_One

Extra Edit: In regards to the claim that the Ashen One doesn't have the experience that Doomguy has, the Soul of Cinder has the collective power and experience of uncountable thousands of Lords of Cinder, and the Ashen One beats him.

He has their collective power which is more or less what souls are.
I don't think it really passes knowledge in that regard.. or does?
It's weird.

[Signeow the Cat]

Vinyltavia eredeti hozzászólása:

He has their collective power which is more or less what souls are.
I don't think it really passes knowledge in that regard.. or does?
It's weird.

He's not really a him at all. The Soul of Cinder is more of a collective conciousness that protects the First Flame. It really is quite literally every single earlier Lord of Cinder combined into one being. Soul of Cinder is the single, most powerful thing in the entire Dark Souls series, except for the Ashen One.

[Vinyltavia]

Signeow the Cat eredeti hozzászólása:

Vinyltavia eredeti hozzászólása:

He has their collective power which is more or less what souls are.
I don't think it really passes knowledge in that regard.. or does?
It's weird.

He's not really a him at all. The Soul of Cinder is more of a collective conciousness that protects the First Flame. It really is quite literally every single earlier Lord of Cinder combined into one being. Soul of Cinder is the single, most powerful thing in the entire Dark Souls series, except for the Ashen One.

even so, the soul of cinder in it's amalgamated glory, is a shadow of it's former self.
Like all those who accept the fate of Flame.

[Signeow the Cat]

Vinyltavia eredeti hozzászólása:

even so, the soul of cinder in it's amalgamated glory, is a shadow of it's former self.
Like all those who accept the fate of Flame.

Gwyn was a shadow of his former self by the time the Chosen Undead fights him. There is no evidence that the Soul of Cinder is in the same boat. Even if the Soul of Cinder were a collection of shadows of former Lords of Cinder, there's uncountable thousands of them merged into one superbeing. You're really selling him short.

[Artek [General]]

I think you keep forgetting that Doomguy is extremely fast and agile and that alone can get him through Dark Souls.
Its basically as if Bloodborne hunters would invade Dark Souls universe. And that's ignoring Doomguy's physical strength.

[Signeow the Cat]

You are mixing up game mechanics with lore. From a mechanics perspective, yes, Doomguy is fast and agile while Dark Souls is clunky. Lorewise, if you look at what feats characters can pull off, players and npcs in Dark Souls are significantly faster and more agile than Doomguy. Doomguy in his earlier games can outrun a rocket, clocking him at about 700 mpg. Dark Souls characters, on the other hand, can dodge weaponized lightning bolts and sunlight. Even if it doesn't look like you're going all that fast while playing it, that doesn't mean the characters are slow within their own universe.

[Vinyltavia]

Signeow the Cat eredeti hozzászólása:

You are mixing up game mechanics with lore. From a mechanics perspective, yes, Doomguy is fast and agile while Dark Souls is clunky. Lorewise, if you look at what feats characters can pull off, players and npcs in Dark Souls are significantly faster and more agile than Doomguy. Doomguy in his earlier games can outrun a rocket, clocking him at about 700 mpg. Dark Souls characters, on the other hand, can dodge weaponized lightning bolts and sunlight. Even if it doesn't look like you're going all that fast while playing it, that doesn't mean the characters are slow within their own universe.

the main thing about alot of those is that when these things cast lightning alot of it has tell to it.
The best feat to surmise where there's less warning would be the shower of bolts.
That in of itself can prove that the chosen undead in the endgame is capable of having lightning reflexes for sure.
Let's assume it's bloodlust no strings attached and they're objectively trying to kill the other as quickly as possible.
Do we include the Berserk pack or naw?
If so, GG, RIP AND TEAR.
If not then okay.
Are we sticking to their guns or should we just try to throw them in a universe where they function best?
It's also worth noting the chosen undead FOR SOME REASON can barely jump despite their physical strength and agility.
Meanwhile you got Double Jump McDoomGuy all over the place here.
Even their crit animations work differently...
HMMM

[Signeow the Cat]

This has never been trying to see if Doomguy could beat the Ashen One in a fight, but rather seeing how well he would do in the Dark Souls universe.

Please actually read the links I provided earlier. Berserk is a substantial upgrade to Doomguy's power, but it isn't an instant win. At baseline, Doomguy 2016 can level a city block with ease. With the Berserk or Quad Damage upgrade, that goes to multiple city blocks, but not city level. With it boosting his strength, he could easily shred an early game Ashen One, who also is at city block levels of strength and durability, but it wouldn't bridge the gap between him and the midgame Ashen one, who has enough power to destroy entire countries, and is far from a lategame Ashen One, who is rated at large star level, more than enough to shatter a planet and leagues above the Berserk upgrade's multiple city block level. In regards for the lightning dodging, it is still possible to dodge lighting spear and sunlight spear as they are flying at you, with proper spacing. Considering Sunlight Spear is weaponized light, that's still vastly superior reaction speed feat than Doomguy has ever shown.

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Doomguy#Doom%20(2016)

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Ashen_One

All that said, I do think Doomguy would do well in the Dark Souls universe, he just wouldn't be able to steamroll all over it from the very beginning. Doomguy has proven many times how adaptable and tenacious he is and I believe he'd have to do the same in Dark Souls. He is about as powerful as a new character in Dark Souls 3, with some specifc areas he exceeds in, namely his limitless stamina and running speed. He is weaker in his reaction times only because there are no existing feats showing off the kind of reaction speed the Ashen One has. It's entirely possible that he also has those kinds of reactions, but there isn't proof of it so far. Considering he survived for centuries in his universe's version of Hell with nothing but his wits and anger, he's clearly very good at adapting and thriving in the face of adversity.

[JaKeD]

I doubt a fandom wiki is a good source for debating which fictional video game character is stronger.

[Signeow the Cat]

JaKeD eredeti hozzászólása:

I doubt a fandom wiki is a good source for debating which fictional video game character is stronger.

That's literally the entire purpose of the VSBattles Wiki. They analyze and compare hundreds of characters from various media, from cartoons, to comic books, to video games. They're like what Death Battle wishes they could be.

[Artek [General]]

Im pretty sure Ashen One (or any of Dark Souls main characters) are not exactly super human.
We have extreme cases such as Havel or that dude... Tsorig? They're slightly overpowered for a human being, but not too much.

The only reason why our characters in these games achieve anything at all is: they actually cannot die by lore reasons and keep coming back knowing already what to expect from their enemies (that's a huge game changer).
They also have Ashen Flask which allows them to heal as well as Bonfires to heal them too.

Its their ultimately durability - not strength - that allows our characters prevail in the universe of Dark Souls.

Doomguy is a complete oposite. In his DOOM universe his deaths are non-cannon, which means he is comptetent enough to stand against hordes of demons and NOT. DIE.
That's one luxory that dark souls main characters have that he doesn't.
Which he balances out by being extremely competent at all forms of combat, so competent - that even overwhelming packs of bloodborne-fast demons can't take him down.