Bastard Sword > Claymore

[Hextin]

I never see anyone use the Bastard Sword. Always that Overrated Claymore. I think the Bastard WA Stomp is extremely underrated. Not only can you poise through annoying weapons such as Freides Scythe spam, splitleaf spin spam, millwood axe WA charge, and even the Ringed Knight Paired GS but you get a guaranteed launch off on anyone using those weapons. Which makes people using those weapons think twice before spamming those weapons in fear of being launched. For example, The RKPUGS being frames of the first L1 where you do the forward lunge deals no damage but stuns you (much like the millwood axe) until the end frames where you do damage. If you stomp with the bastard sword in close range as soon as someone start the L1 you can poise through the stun and by the time the L1 reaches the end frames where it does damage you end up behind them and if youre locked on your character will turn around and launch them. And when you do launch someone it gives you enough time to drink and be ready to go before they finish the stand up animation. Which makes all those annoying weapons so easy to deal with to the point that instead of getting annoyed when ever you see them you get excited instead knowing youre about to launch a scrub.

With that said why is the Claymore regarded as an undisputed superior? Because it has a stupid R2 poke and stance weapon art? Sure the R2 WA has some hyper armor but no where as much as stomp does. Also you must have a decent amount of poise for the R2 WA to be useful at all. On the other hand stomp can poise through almost anything even if you have light armor. If timed correctly you can stomp through 2 UGS R1s with light armor on. I'm sure I've landed more launches than anyone has landed that dumb R2.

[Lord DeLacy]

Originally posted by Sir Noble:

2. Damage. Claymore is stronger

As far as I can tell the Claymore never outdamages the Bastard Sword given the same infusion, stats, and upgrades.

[76561198926561117]

I like the Bastard Sword. It's one of my favourite weapons. Unfortunately, it has features that make itself worse than Claymore in PvP against players that aren't complete randoms. The Bastard Sword cannot get a leo ring bonus from its R2 unlike the Claymore. Claymore is longer than Bastard Sword giving it an objective advantage over Bastard Sword..

[AgentRuby]

"I think the Bastard WA Stomp is extremely underrated"

It may be good but the rest of the moves are possibly the easiest to score a parry with.

[Lord DeLacy]

Originally posted by Sir Noble:

Originally posted by Lord DeLacy:

As far as I can tell the Claymore never outdamages the Bastard Sword given the same infusion, stats, and upgrades.

I remember it being much stronger when I tested near release.

However, I have just double checked on soulsplanner and they are showing as the same apart form on a sharp infusion, which the claymore is stronger.

On another infusion, the bastard sword wins by 1 point of damage.

So in total, the claymore does more damage across all infusions combined and is longer.

Soulsplanner.com actually lists Bastard Sword as 1 better damage at 99 dex and sharp.

I think the overriding point is that the damage is roughly the same.

[Artek [General]]

I'm sorry but you are objectively wrong.

Claymore is a direct upgrade of bastard. Same AR, more reach, thrust attacks, superior WA.

Bastard sword shares the same spot with Drakeblood Sword for worst greatswords solely due to lack of reach, while having NOTHING to compensate. No speciel effects, no damage difference, not even higher attack speed (they could mix GS moveset with SS moveset for example), absolutely nothing.

Drakeblood at least looks cool and has that R1 spam. Bastard sword... I don't even keep it in my collection.

Bastard Sword is only good for psychological warfare, because enemies will think you are an idiot and underestimate you.

[abyss]

there is literally nothing that bastard sword does better than claymore and i doubt that you'll ever hit a good player with the stomp WA. Claymore and onyx blade are way better to use on dark builds because they have more range and onyx blade has more damage with the WA buff. On a quality build you'd most likely just stick with gael's gs.

[Local Yowie]

Bastard sword is bad and ugly

Stomp is good in pvp if u have a shield that activates weapon art and use it by surprise

[Lord DeLacy]

You're all playing it wrong. :) I play games to have fun and the feeling one gets from a successful 'launch' outweighs the feeling from winning a duel.

I'm never gonna be an Olympic pvp athlete, so if I can get some fun without winning then great!

Bastard Sword looks great, feels great and has a cool weapon art. Claymore is a better weapon but feels boring and safe.

[abyss]

Originally posted by Lord DeLacy:

You're all playing it wrong. :) I play games to have fun and the feeling one gets from a successful 'launch' outweighs the feeling from winning a duel.

I'm never gonna be an Olympic pvp athlete, so if I can get some fun without winning then great!

Bastard Sword looks great, feels great and has a cool weapon art. Claymore is a better weapon but feels boring and safe.

that doesn’t make the weapon better than claymore though, OP is basically saying that bastard sword is better than claymore

[Lord DeLacy]

The term 'better' is subjective. :) He might think B Sword is better at launching people with, you might think Claymore is better at winning with. Both are correct.

OK, what about this :

The Bastard Sword uses less stamina!

[abyss]

Originally posted by Lord DeLacy:

The term 'better' is subjective. :) He might think B Sword is better at launching people with, you might think Claymore is better at winning with. Both are correct.

OK, what about this :

The Bastard Sword uses less stamina!

barely even makes a difference cause the stamina cost is almost the same anyway.

[Xengre]

Originally posted by Hextin:

Originally posted by Xengre:

I'm gonna be honest... that and the misinformation like about being unable to parry Splitleaft (which was wrong), worried about needing to parry RKPUGS like it even matters, and this comment kind of shows your current skill level. You might improve but you have some misunderstandings due to lack of skill atm. Example: That UGS user wouldn't swing a second time if they didn't connect the first unless they are bad mashing R1. Even better players wouldn't use an UGS to begin with lol.

It kinda does matter... a lot, if it is slow. You can try to trade but if you are whiffing on air because I avoid your slow attacks and backstab you or hit you during your recovery then who is trading better? The person taking 0 dmg because you fail to hit or the guy doing zero dmg because his attacks are to slow to land? If you keep a limited mindset without trying to better understand and improve you aren't going to get better tho.

Ill bet you any sum of money that Im more skilled than you. Wanna test it? I guarantee you couldnt beat me in a duel. Youre an idiot and you clearly didn understand the previous argument. Im not wasting my time explaining to a dolt in an argument.

So in short you can't counter my statements so you choose to insult me? It is a fact you were wrong and I even linked video evidence showing splitleaf can be parried. It is a fact only an idiot would swing more than once if the hit doesn't connect so your example of trading doesn't exist in reality against better players, and certainly not 3 R1 situations... It is a fact you failed to understand what everyone else but you is saying in this thread which is probably why you haven't been back to it. Also from the sound of it you probably aren't remotely as good as you think, probably even against someone like me who is stupid rusty and hasn't played jack in around 2 years.

[psheue]

Fools!

OP is gonna launch 95% of you into space! He´s so much more skilled than any of you and he´s willing to bet any amount of money you want!

Tremble before him! He´s got a gold medal in the arena!

[Alice]

Finally, another who has seen the light of the Bastard Sword. Truly, it is a misunderstood creature. I pretty much main it as my poise option when the spam gets intense or like you said, The Meme Weapons come out, so does the Space Program. Anybody who says silly things like the claymore's r2 is good or whatever, that's cause they're thinking in their passive meta mindset, never thinking about aggression. I personally like to walk up and down smash people who use Meme Weapons with the Bastie.

[TrueArchery]

To be fair the "it counters ultra r1 spammers" is a really fair point as many, many people do just that.