Bastard Sword > Claymore

[Hextin]

I never see anyone use the Bastard Sword. Always that Overrated Claymore. I think the Bastard WA Stomp is extremely underrated. Not only can you poise through annoying weapons such as Freides Scythe spam, splitleaf spin spam, millwood axe WA charge, and even the Ringed Knight Paired GS but you get a guaranteed launch off on anyone using those weapons. Which makes people using those weapons think twice before spamming those weapons in fear of being launched. For example, The RKPUGS being frames of the first L1 where you do the forward lunge deals no damage but stuns you (much like the millwood axe) until the end frames where you do damage. If you stomp with the bastard sword in close range as soon as someone start the L1 you can poise through the stun and by the time the L1 reaches the end frames where it does damage you end up behind them and if youre locked on your character will turn around and launch them. And when you do launch someone it gives you enough time to drink and be ready to go before they finish the stand up animation. Which makes all those annoying weapons so easy to deal with to the point that instead of getting annoyed when ever you see them you get excited instead knowing youre about to launch a scrub.

With that said why is the Claymore regarded as an undisputed superior? Because it has a stupid R2 poke and stance weapon art? Sure the R2 WA has some hyper armor but no where as much as stomp does. Also you must have a decent amount of poise for the R2 WA to be useful at all. On the other hand stomp can poise through almost anything even if you have light armor. If timed correctly you can stomp through 2 UGS R1s with light armor on. I'm sure I've landed more launches than anyone has landed that dumb R2.

[Scaryowl]

the upsides of bastard sword: weight
the upsides of claymore: everything else
stomp is a downgrade in most situations, especially since most people won't get hit by it and claymore r1's/ wa r1/r2 have enough poise to tank scythe hits too.

[Hextin]

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

the upsides of bastard sword: weight
the upsides of claymore: everything else
stomp is a downgrade in most situations, especially since most people won't get hit by it and claymore r1's/ wa r1/r2 have enough poise to tank scythe hits too.

Sounds to me that you and most people just dont know how to use the Bastard. Also you claim most people wont get hit by the launch but id beg to differ. I land about 95% of them. Ofc you wont hit anyone if youre an idiot who just run in front of someone and stomp. Youre meant to trade with it not use is as pure offense.
Sure claymore can tank through a weak scythe but cant poise through two UGS R1s or any of the other things stomp can.

[Hextin]

Originally posted by Hextin:

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

the upsides of bastard sword: weight
the upsides of claymore: everything else
stomp is a downgrade in most situations, especially since most people won't get hit by it and claymore r1's/ wa r1/r2 have enough poise to tank scythe hits too.

Sounds to me that you and most people just dont know how to use the Bastard. Also you claim most people wont get hit by the launch but id beg to differ. I land about 95% of them. Ofc you wont hit anyone if youre an idiot who just run in front of someone and stomp. Youre meant to trade with it not use is as pure offense.
Sure claymore can tank through a weak scythe but cant poise through two UGS R1s or any of the other things stomp can.

In fact ive even launched two people at once many times.

[Scaryowl]

Originally posted by Hextin:

Originally posted by Hextin:

Sounds to me that you and most people just dont know how to use the Bastard. Also you claim most people wont get hit by the launch but id beg to differ. I land about 95% of them. Ofc you wont hit anyone if youre an idiot who just run in front of someone and stomp. Youre meant to trade with it not use is as pure offense.
Sure claymore can tank through a weak scythe but cant poise through two UGS R1s or any of the other things stomp can.

In fact ive even launched two people at once many times.

yeah but the thing is the two ugs r1 will probably outdamage your stomp, and if you don't do it into someone who's stupid you'll miss.

[Hextin]

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

Originally posted by Hextin:

In fact ive even launched two people at once many times.

yeah but the thing is the two ugs r1 will probably outdamage your stomp, and if you don't do it into someone who's stupid you'll miss.

Uh no it actually doesnt outdamage your stomp. Because stomp it just like perseverance and increases poise and reduces damage. Also if you do land it you have enough time to drink and be ready to roll catch or punish your enemies jug before they stand up. Like I said i land about 95 percent of my stomps so youd be surprised how many poeple are stupid enough to get hit by it. Also Ive landed these on gold ranks not just low rank scrubs. And there are many weapons like the ones i mentioned before that guarantee you at least the first stomp. After that a few learn the lesson and wont spam their weapons anymore which is still a win because youre negating your enemy who is most likely a one trick pony to not spam a combo they most likely rely on.

Judging by your comments I cant tell you ether have never used the Bastard Sword or you dont know how to use it.

[Scaryowl]

Originally posted by Hextin:

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

yeah but the thing is the two ugs r1 will probably outdamage your stomp, and if you don't do it into someone who's stupid you'll miss.

Uh no it actually doesnt outdamage your stomp. Because stomp it just like perseverance and increases poise and reduces damage. Also if you do land it you have enough time to drink and be ready to roll catch or punish your enemies jug before they stand up. Like I said i land about 95 percent of my stomps so youd be surprised how many poeple are stupid enough to get hit by it. Also Ive landed these on gold ranks not just low rank scrubs. And there are many weapons like the ones i mentioned before that guarantee you at least the first stomp. After that a few learn the lesson and wont spam their weapons anymore which is still a win because youre negating your enemy who is most likely a one trick pony to not spam a combo they most likely rely on.

Judging by your comments I cant tell you ether have never used the Bastard Sword or you dont know how to use it.

arena rank means literally nothing, since it's incredibly easy to get.
claymore, and most other weapons, have no problem dealing with l1 spam "one trick ponies" because in general it's easily parried or punished by backstabs/poise.
bastard sword does worse damage than claymore due to the lack of thrust, has worse range than claymore, and is useful in less situations (since it doesn't have a guard break that's fast or a poke)

that being said, if you like bastard sword, keep using it.
there's nothing wrong with not using the meta.

[Pat Fenis]

why not both?

[Hextin]

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

Originally posted by Hextin:

Uh no it actually doesnt outdamage your stomp. Because stomp it just like perseverance and increases poise and reduces damage. Also if you do land it you have enough time to drink and be ready to roll catch or punish your enemies jug before they stand up. Like I said i land about 95 percent of my stomps so youd be surprised how many poeple are stupid enough to get hit by it. Also Ive landed these on gold ranks not just low rank scrubs. And there are many weapons like the ones i mentioned before that guarantee you at least the first stomp. After that a few learn the lesson and wont spam their weapons anymore which is still a win because youre negating your enemy who is most likely a one trick pony to not spam a combo they most likely rely on.

Judging by your comments I cant tell you ether have never used the Bastard Sword or you dont know how to use it.

arena rank means literally nothing, since it's incredibly easy to get.
claymore, and most other weapons, have no problem dealing with l1 spam "one trick ponies" because in general it's easily parried or punished by backstabs/poise.
bastard sword does worse damage than claymore due to the lack of thrust, has worse range than claymore, and is useful in less situations (since it doesn't have a guard break that's fast or a poke)

that being said, if you like bastard sword, keep using it.
there's nothing wrong with not using the meta.

Everyone who I've ever heard say that arena rank means nothing usually is trash at the game. Sure it doesn't mean everything. But not any idiot can slap double gold besides their name. I suppose KD in FPS games mean nothing? GPA in school doesnt mean anything either does it.

Also you cant parry RKPUGS L1 or splitlead spin or millwood charge so what are you on about?
Only thing you can parry easy is the freides scythe.

[Scaryowl]

Originally posted by Hextin:

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

arena rank means literally nothing, since it's incredibly easy to get.
claymore, and most other weapons, have no problem dealing with l1 spam "one trick ponies" because in general it's easily parried or punished by backstabs/poise.
bastard sword does worse damage than claymore due to the lack of thrust, has worse range than claymore, and is useful in less situations (since it doesn't have a guard break that's fast or a poke)

that being said, if you like bastard sword, keep using it.
there's nothing wrong with not using the meta.

Everyone who I've ever heard say that arena rank means nothing usually is trash at the game. Sure it doesn't mean everything. But not any idiot can slap double gold besides their name. I suppose KD in FPS games mean nothing? GPA in school doesnt mean anything either does it.

Also you cant parry RKPUGS L1 or splitlead spin or millwood charge so what are you on about?
Only thing you can parry easy is the freides scythe.

you can get gold arena rank even if you die more than you win... that's why it means nothing. Because anyone can get it with a few hours. also, millwood charge doesn't even true combo into anything, and if you're trying to facetank splitleaf or rkpugs you're doing it wrong

[Hextin]

THats not the point smart a ss.Doesnt matter if millwood axe doesnt combo into anything. The point is the enemy cant cancel out of the animation and guarantees you a launch. Dont come here and talk about "youre doing it wrong" cuz i guarantee youre less skilled than I am.

[The Fountaineer 🖋]

Or yknow, just use whatever weapon looks nice and shiny on your build and hope it does more than chip damage.

[Xengre]

Originally posted by Hextin:

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

the upsides of bastard sword: weight
the upsides of claymore: everything else
stomp is a downgrade in most situations, especially since most people won't get hit by it and claymore r1's/ wa r1/r2 have enough poise to tank scythe hits too.

Sounds to me that you and most people just dont know how to use the Bastard. Also you claim most people wont get hit by the launch but id beg to differ. I land about 95% of them. Ofc you wont hit anyone if youre an idiot who just run in front of someone and stomp. Youre meant to trade with it not use is as pure offense.
Sure claymore can tank through a weak scythe but cant poise through two UGS R1s or any of the other things stomp can.

If you are tanking through UGS in a trade with a Claymore or Bastard Sword you are doing something wrong to begin with. Not a good argument. Stomp really is slow. That is like saying you hit 95% of people with UGS attacks. If you do you aren't facing even remotely good players.

Originally posted by Hextin:

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

arena rank means literally nothing, since it's incredibly easy to get.
claymore, and most other weapons, have no problem dealing with l1 spam "one trick ponies" because in general it's easily parried or punished by backstabs/poise.
bastard sword does worse damage than claymore due to the lack of thrust, has worse range than claymore, and is useful in less situations (since it doesn't have a guard break that's fast or a poke)

that being said, if you like bastard sword, keep using it.
there's nothing wrong with not using the meta.

Everyone who I've ever heard say that arena rank means nothing usually is trash at the game. Sure it doesn't mean everything. But not any idiot can slap double gold besides their name. I suppose KD in FPS games mean nothing? GPA in school doesnt mean anything either does it.

Also you cant parry RKPUGS L1 or splitlead spin or millwood charge so what are you on about?
Only thing you can parry easy is the freides scythe.

You can easily evade or backstab (assuming netcode ain't a bish) UGS attacks so who cares about parry.

You CAN PARRY Splitleaf normal attacks AND weapon art. In fact, it is very easy to do so safely (because the second hit doesn't hit allowing even a caestus, non-shield user, to evade first then setup and flawlessly time the next actual hit).
See for proof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jImgS_LC3W4

[psheue]

OP, you seem a little tense. It´s just a game, no one is going to die if one weapon is more popular than the other.

Both GSs have identical speed and the Claymore is longer. So, it´s "better". On top of that, BSword´s WA is only useful in very specific situations (and it´s a BS magnet) while the Claymore´s poke is always useful (and it´s not a BS magnet).

Be honest: if you were fighting against yourself, BSword vs. Claymore, who would win?

Arena rank in DS3 is meaningless. All my meta SL characters have both gold medals. In 1v1s, it only takes a couple of hours, tops. Also, I can try the goofiest setups in the arena and never lose my rank. Group medals are harder to get only because group fights are dead.

If we were talking about DS2´s arena rank, I´d be on your side. Meta SL duels at the BoB arena were tough AF. Losing ranks was easy, reaching max rank took forever and the overall skill level was way higher.

[Funpire]

There is so much salt in this thread it's sad given the context...

[Hextin]

Originally posted by psheue:

OP, you seem a little tense. It´s just a game, no one is going to die if one weapon is more popular than the other.

Both GSs have identical speed and the Claymore is longer. So, it´s "better". On top of that, BSword´s WA is only useful in very specific situations (and it´s a BS magnet) while the Claymore´s poke is always useful (and it´s not a BS magnet).

Be honest: if you were fighting against yourself, BSword vs. Claymore, who would win?

Arena rank in DS3 is meaningless. All my meta SL characters have both gold medals. In 1v1s, it only takes a couple of hours, tops. Also, I can try the goofiest setups in the arena and never lose my rank. Group medals are harder to get only because group fights are dead.

If we were talking about DS2´s arena rank, I´d be on your side. Meta SL duels at the BoB arena were tough AF. Losing ranks was easy, reaching max rank took forever and the overall skill level was way higher.

The version of me using the bastard sword would win no doubt. Theres a reason I use the bastard and not claymore. I also have beat countless people with it while they use the claymore. Once again it doesnt matter if its slow. Youre meant to trade. I usually roll the first swing of an UGS and then stomp through the second one and they get launched before the 3rd one connects. I end up losing less health than i would from one straight sword hit and they lose about half their health. If youre complaining that its slow and its hard to land it then youre an idiot who clearly doesnt know how and when to use it. You can ask any of the people I play with daily they witness people catching air left and right.