Randomly summoned as Spear of the Church?

[Metro]

I've got blade of the darkmoon equipped, and I put my white summon down at the ringed inner wall. I wait for a bit and it says I'm summoned, then I'm suddenly a Spear of The church boss? It seems I was picked to be the boss, even though I haven't used that covenant in a long time. I just black crystaled out because I didn't really volunteer, (Besides the guy will probably have an easier time with the dumb as rocks bot) but I'm still confused. I look it up and the first result was a forum from 2 years ago! Can I stop this from happening again? Or should I just be prepared to be handpicked to be a Spear of the church randomly?

[Laughing Clown]

Happened to me too.

[Niko]

When you invade/place your sign in the ringed city there is always a chance to get summoned as spear of the church, even if you don't have the covenant

[Laughing Clown]

Originally posted by Niko:

When you invade/place your sign in the ringed city there is always a chance to get summoned as spear of the church, even if you don't have the covenant

Even if you don't have the covenant..... Damn.

[Metro]

Originally posted by Laughing Clown:

Originally posted by Niko:

When you invade/place your sign in the ringed city there is always a chance to get summoned as spear of the church, even if you don't have the covenant

Even if you don't have the covenant..... Damn.

Why haven't they fixed that lmao that glitch is 2 years old

[Demonite]

Originally posted by Metro-Police:

Originally posted by Laughing Clown:

Even if you don't have the covenant..... Damn.

Why haven't they fixed that lmao that glitch is 2 years old

It's intended, isn't it?

[Metro]

Originally posted by Demonite:

Originally posted by Metro-Police:

Why haven't they fixed that lmao that glitch is 2 years old

It's intended, isn't it?

Why would it be intended? I think some people would be mildly upset if they tried getting summoned as a white then randomly invade someone else. I'd understand a bit more if it was only if you were invading, but I had white on. Im getting summoned as church again as i type this wth. (Ok this is roughtly 5 mins later now) I black crystaled out again after we had a fistfight cuz muh dignity etc. But why would it? it makes no sense lol

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Metro-Police:

Originally posted by Demonite:

It's intended, isn't it?

Why would it be intended? I think some people would be mildly upset if they tried getting summoned as a white then randomly invade someone else. I'd understand a bit more if it was only if you were invading, but I had white on. Im getting summoned as church again as i type this wth. (Ok this is roughtly 5 mins later now) I black crystaled out again after we had a fistfight cuz muh dignity etc. But why would it? it makes no sense lol

"Maybe" it is intended if that is no Spear of the Church online, the game will search for anyone online with anything that allows a summon (yes, it is a broken and cheap way to force the player to fight another player as Spear of the Church and not a NPC but "maybe" it i s intended).
No Spear of the Church avaiable, game will force someone there.

The % of players that kill Nameless King is 31.9%, Midir is much harder even with help, then most dont want to be Spear of the Church, so I would say the % of players that defeated Midir AND are using Spear of the Church cov would be around 0.5%, maybe less, also it would be spread through day-time and even through day, so the % of any given time, by average, would be something around 0.0017%, very very low (reason why when I used the cov I was summoned non-stop to the point I had to take cov item off or else I would not do anything else, seen like people decided to do that boss while I was playing and I was the only Spear of the Church available).

As the player base is around 6000, that would mean 1 Spears of the Church available (maybe 2 or 3 at the same time, maybe more, but also most probably zero as these players also play with other players or with other chars that dont have the cov item yet or that they dont want to be Spear of the Church at that moment so yeah, considering 1 player active and as Spear of the Church at all times).

I just think that, if the player summoned as Spear of the Church is alone with a poor NPC and the host can have help, the Spear of the Church should have help from another player (anbd not a poor NPC that will not act properly or when needed).

The boss fight end up being kind of easy, even more if you have a good weapon or if the player summoned is not good at PvP.
The player going for the boss know what he is facing and if he is also bringing help, the Spear of the Church, that dont know what he is going to face, is the one that will face a challenge (but I think the intention of summoning a player there is for the non-spear of the church player to have a challenge so yeah, I think a 2x2 of players vs players would be better and more interesting for both parties . . . and that no one comes with "oh but the host may just want to beat a boss" . . . it is another player that is summoned there, sometimes, even without using the cov item so it would be very fair if that player also had another player help instead of a dumb NPC).

[MundM]

Yes, that's a bug that seems to be in the netcode since demon's souls. Sure, it is probably not the same bug, but you could be summoned as Boss in Demon's Souls despite having put down a white summoning sign, happened to me regularly when the servers where still up.

Never expect a fully working net code from Fromsoft ;)

[Jouni]

Be AFK until you are killed or keep stabbing yourself with Bloodlust. I don't approve forced Spear of the Church duty so that's what I always do. It was a dick move from Fromsoft so I ruin the fight to make sure that the exact opposite of the intended result happens.

[MundM]

Originally posted by Jouni:

Be AFK until you are killed or keep stabbing yourself with Bloodlust. I don't approve forced Spear of the Church duty so that's what I always do. It was a dick move from Fromsoft so I ruin the fight to make sure that the exact opposite of the intended result happens.

You only ruin a fun fight for the host and his phantoms, nobody at Fromsoft and Bamco will ever notice your mischief.

[Seferofe]

Pretty sure it's an intended feature. It even says in some item descriptions how Judicator Argo (guy who summons spear of the church) forces people to help them fight those who wish to reach Filianore. He did it to the Ruin Sentinel knights (the phantom archers), while Ledo is summoned willingly.

But the chance to be summoned without the covenant on is a lot less likely than someone with it equipped. It can be annoying if you're build isn't made for it though, such as when I was using my mage.

[ChubbNutt]

Originally posted by MundM:

Yes, that's a bug that seems to be in the netcode since demon's souls. Sure, it is probably not the same bug, but you could be summoned as Boss in Demon's Souls despite having put down a white summoning sign, happened to me regularly when the servers where still up.

Never expect a fully working net code from Fromsoft ;)

It's intended to be like the same fight as demon souls, which is why the left in the "glitch."

[Jouni]

Originally posted by MundM:

You only ruin a fun fight for the host and his phantoms, nobody at Fromsoft and Bamco will ever notice your mischief.

I'm sure that Fromsoft is already aware that their Spear of the Church bosses commonly have motivation issues. I'm sure that they also know the reason for that. You either partake in unorganized mass protests like this with your own behavior or you end up having such fun features in future games too.

[MundM]

Originally posted by Jouni:

Originally posted by MundM:

You only ruin a fun fight for the host and his phantoms, nobody at Fromsoft and Bamco will ever notice your mischief.

I'm sure that Fromsoft is already aware that their Spear of the Church bosses commonly have motivation issues. I'm sure that they also know the reason for that. You either partake in unorganized mass protests like this with your own behavior or you end up having such fun features in future games too.

I don't really mind, and I rather try and have fun the throw a tantrum over such a bug.

[Alice]

Originally posted by Metro-Police:

Originally posted by Demonite:

It's intended, isn't it?

Why would it be intended? I think some people would be mildly upset if they tried getting summoned as a white then randomly invade someone else. I'd understand a bit more if it was only if you were invading, but I had white on. Im getting summoned as church again as i type this wth. (Ok this is roughtly 5 mins later now) I black crystaled out again after we had a fistfight cuz muh dignity etc. But why would it? it makes no sense lol

I point to the mirror knight, and the monk from demons souls, which was literally the same thing as this and it had the same random pick mechanic while having a more specific way to actually intentionally become a boss/boss minion. It's been there since launch. F E A T U R E.