Stuck on vordt of the boreal valley

[Pumpkin]

I know this sounds pathetic as ♥♥♥♥, but I just got the game and I am really enjoying it, haven't gotten frustrated with it yet and just got up to vordt and I haven't been able to get past him, I easily just run back to the boss fight place but I can still never beat him for some reason (I know this sounds extremely pathetic but I am not very good at video games), does anyone have any tips?

[Little Miss Terror]

Originally posted by Xengre:

Originally posted by Captain☆Sp@ce☆Pan:

That's bullcrap. You can't survive a hit from a ng+++++ Aldritch at level 26, even if you poured every single point of that into vigor. You wouldn't tank that even with the full Havel set on.

Maybe if you leveled your str you wouldn't have the scaling bonus of a pool noodle.

This is my most common loadout on that character at NG+5 in pvp and general play when I'm not actually trying to min-max, usually for messing with other players.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1465495393
I have 1441 HP which is ample enough if I swapped into some actual armor, even more so if I use stat boosting rings. How much HP do you have that you are dying in a single hit, on NG at that...? I got to NG+5 without real issue. The only dangerous attack is his arrow barrage which is easily negatable. I'm going to take my word from personal experience over yours when I'm the veteran in NG+5 at SL26 with +2 weapons (would be further if I actually had interest to continue at this point) vs the guy struggling on the boss I consider totally trivial. No offense. Crystal Sage by NG+5 will definitely 1-shot me if I don't use buffs to lower the magic dmg, but not Aldrich. Aldrich hurts tho, sure, but his spears are also his easiest attack to avoid as is pretty much his entire kit.

Maybe if you knew more about the game instead of blowing hot air you would know better about scaling? Remember, YOU are the one struggling and having to exploit imbalances like parry to get by.

Scaling for most weapons is not good until +8-10 (as you upgrade it the scalings can change from say C to S+, etc.). This means investing in str/dex for a good 80% of the game is totally pointless when you are getting almost no AD over raw which has very strong flat bonus and instead MASSIVELY boost your survivability.

Let's take a look at scaling:
Heavy we will use a massive 66 str stat which is a huge investment, the cap 2h.
Sharp 70 dex
Quality 40 str/ 40 dex

These are extreme peaks in scaling tested vs literally 0 ar scaling investment with raw. Note, in reality, after putting some points in hp/stamina you can start doing str/dex so the gaps will be even smaller showing just how bad an idea it is to rush str/dex like you did. Also, this is testing on +10 weapons. If I showed this on +7 and lower most of the time the investment in str/dex will be so poor by comparison it may make no more than the difference of 0-2 hits in most fights). I assume a base stat of 10 in everything unless otherwise listed (or a base stat in X minimum requirement to wield).

Long Sword +10
Raw - 309 AR
Heavy - 441 AR
Sharp - 449 AR
Refined - 453 AR

Lothric Knight Sword +10
Raw - 299 AR
Heavy - 413 AR
Sharp - 444 AR
Refined - 438 AR

Lothric Knight Greatsword +10
Raw - 514 AR
Heavy - 699 AR
Sharp - 712 AR
Refined - 674 AR

These are three of the most commonly used weapons in the game and the LKG was picked due to one of the best scaling weapons in the game for sheer massive AR to make a point.
In NONE of these examples does the AR difference over raw exceed 200 points of AR. In fact, almost none of them really go much higher than 120-150. Considering the base AR value with raw tends to be around 300 + ~90 for resin/buffs on average for the lower range weapons means that 120~150 AR boost is around 30~38% AR boost.

For the heavier weapon it is even worse despite the AR scaling going up, because the base value is drastically outscaling the scaling difference. LGK has 514 + 90 vs ~200 AR boost for a gain of roughly 33% at the upper end (less at the lower, and WAAAAY less in reality because a huge chunk of the base dmg is elemental which is not scaling, just static 174).

Now, which is more important? Sacrificing around 25-30 points to reach 35-40 vigor to have around 1600-1900 HP or sacrificing 60-66 points for around a 30-38% dmg boost and potentially 400-700 hp?

Oh, but wait! I lied! When you factor in resistances and the fact that the 25-30 points in HP still leave 35-41 points to spare else where (including in str/dex) then the gap becomes MUCH MUCH smaller (sub 15% AR boost potentially). In pvp that would often not change the number of hits to kill a target. On bosses short of Midir, SoC, Gael, Demon Princes it might not save you more than 1-3 hits to kill the boss. On normal mobs it is irrelevant so we wont even bother.

Oh, but this was also the most extreme peak example. In reality your str/dex stats are even LOWER because so it just makes the scaling even worse than it already is.

tl;dr Str/Dex blah blah scaling for more AR is waaaay overrated, and HP underrated by people who don't know better. Now that you know use that knowledge to do better.

I don't parry, I don't get one shot by Aldritch and my vigor is 25. Her beam attack does 2 thirds of my health.

I believed you about the sl26, it was my brother who told me that you were making stuff up. He's on NG+5 as well, and he does 700-800 ar one-handed with his Black Knight Greatsword. I'm not going to listen to a single speck of the trash you've spewed at me, because it goes against what literally every other player I have seen has said. Enjoy supporting your vigor levels with raw infusions.

[Xengre]

Originally posted by Captain☆Sp@ce☆Pan:

I don't parry, I don't get one shot by Aldritch and my vigor is 25. Her beam attack does 2 thirds of my health.

I believed you about the sl26, it was my brother who told me that you were making stuff up. He's on NG+5 as well, and he does 700-800 ar one-handed with his Black Knight Greatsword. I'm not going to listen to a single speck of the trash you've spewed at me, because it goes against what literally every other player I have seen has said. Enjoy supporting your vigor levels with raw infusions.

You don't parry?

Originally posted by Captain☆Sp@ce☆Pan:

The only boss I've summoned to beat since was the Pontiff (which was today actually) because in one attempt he was literally a hit away, plus the fact that parrying was basically required so I had to learn to parry, combined with his stunlocks, all contributed to him pissing me off.

Originally posted by Captain☆Sp@ce☆Pan:

If I parried and riposted Pontif I could kill him in approximately 6 swings.

Oh. Ok... Whatever you say.

You say her beam attacks do 2/3rds of your health... You have 947 HP (1231 HP if embered) out of possibly 1600-1900 depending on build.

That means you would have approximately 406.23 HP after the attack because it did 812.46, aka 2/3rds.

With 1600 HP that would leave 787.54 health, or with 1900 health you would have 1087.54 remaining which is enough to take two more hits...

This is before considering absorption and resistances which yours are almost certainly not optimized. You aren't using optimized armors.

You aren't using blue magic pellet. You aren't using Magic Stoneplate Ring (much less the +2 version).

You aren't using Magic Barrier or Great Magic Barrier which when used with the right setup can nullify sorcery dmg by almost 90%.

Even then, you didn't get 1-shot. You seem to be mistaken if you think NG+5 scales THAT hard. Even in NG+5 very FEW bosses have attacks that will 1-shot me, and NONE except Midir will 1-shot me if I actually optimize against their heavy hitting attacks.

The only boss with truly lethal damage in the hardest difficulty, NG+7 as it stops scaling past that point, and even that will not always 1-shot.

I could care less what your brother thinks. His statement about his AR has nothing to do with me surviving Aldrich. If your brother can't survive him then he just doesn't know how to build his character. I can handle this char when cooping to help others in NG+7 just fine at SL26.

Your posting his AR is irrelevant because it doesn't discredit my point at all regarding AR which you are calling trash and ignoring because it completely disproved you leaving no room whatsoever for you to argue. You just embarrassed yourself is all. At least the other guy will read it and learn from it I believe. Btw, your brother failed to mention his Black Knight Greatsword doesn't have an infusion due to being a twinkling weapon. Heh.

Lol every other player? Virtually any veteran on here is going to tell you HP is the most important, period. It is a pretty significant consensus among the more informed players for a reason.

I will enjoy my raw infusions as I just showed you that you were wrong with actual AR values from each infusion. Also, you don't need to stay at raw infusion forever. Once you get enough Vigor and endurance for your build you can start investing elsewhere like Str, but rushing str while having squishy HP is just inefficient.

You don't "have to believe me" about SL26, because you can't not believe me as I offered a screenshot.

Don't be so triggered and rather learn something for once when you are wrong.

BY THE WAY your lie is too obvious when even at 99 Str + 99 Dex Black Knight Greatsword maxes at 623 AR... Unless he is throwing on numerous buffs + rings to boost it further, which applies just the same to every other weapon... Anyways, that entire mention had literally nothing to do with my post to begin with...

[Ardamis]

Originally posted by Xengre:

Originally posted by Captain☆Sp@ce☆Pan:

I don't parry, I don't get one shot by Aldritch and my vigor is 25. Her beam attack does 2 thirds of my health.

I believed you about the sl26, it was my brother who told me that you were making stuff up. He's on NG+5 as well, and he does 700-800 ar one-handed with his Black Knight Greatsword. I'm not going to listen to a single speck of the trash you've spewed at me, because it goes against what literally every other player I have seen has said. Enjoy supporting your vigor levels with raw infusions.

You don't parry?

Originally posted by Captain☆Sp@ce☆Pan:

The only boss I've summoned to beat since was the Pontiff (which was today actually) because in one attempt he was literally a hit away, plus the fact that parrying was basically required so I had to learn to parry, combined with his stunlocks, all contributed to him pissing me off.

Originally posted by Captain☆Sp@ce☆Pan:

If I parried and riposted Pontif I could kill him in approximately 6 swings.

Oh. Ok... Whatever you say.

You say her beam attacks do 2/3rds of your health... You have 947 HP (1231 HP if embered) out of possibly 1600-1900 depending on build.

That means you would have approximately 406.23 HP after the attack because it did 812.46, aka 2/3rds.

With 1600 HP that would leave 787.54 health, or with 1900 health you would have 1087.54 remaining which is enough to take two more hits...

This is before considering absorption and resistances which yours are almost certainly not optimized. You aren't using optimized armors.

You aren't using blue magic pellet. You aren't using Magic Stoneplate Ring (much less the +2 version).

You aren't using Magic Barrier or Great Magic Barrier which when used with the right setup can nullify sorcery dmg by almost 90%.

Even then, you didn't get 1-shot. You seem to be mistaken if you think NG+5 scales THAT hard. Even in NG+5 very FEW bosses have attacks that will 1-shot me, and NONE except Midir will 1-shot me if I actually optimize against their heavy hitting attacks.

The only boss with truly lethal damage in the hardest difficulty, NG+7 as it stops scaling past that point, and even that will not always 1-shot.

I could care less what your brother thinks. His statement about his AR has nothing to do with me surviving Aldrich. If your brother can't survive him then he just doesn't know how to build his character. I can handle this char when cooping to help others in NG+7 just fine at SL26.

Your posting his AR is irrelevant because it doesn't discredit my point at all regarding AR which you are calling trash and ignoring because it completely disproved you leaving no room whatsoever for you to argue. You just embarrassed yourself is all. At least the other guy will read it and learn from it I believe.

Lol every other player? Virtually any veteran on here is going to tell you HP is the most important, period. It is a pretty significant consensus among the more informed players for a reason.

I will enjoy my raw infusions as I just showed you that you were wrong with actual AR values from each infusion. Also, you don't need to stay at raw infusion forever. Once you get enough Vigor and endurance for your build you can start investing elsewhere like Str, but rushing str while having squishy HP is just inefficient.

You don't "have to believe me" about SL26, because you can't not believe me as I offered a screenshot.

(lil bit out of the blue here but aldrich is guy)

[Xengre]

Originally posted by Mochi Ardamis:

(lil bit out of the blue here but aldrich is guy)

You are correct. Fail on my part as I correctly referred to Aldrich as a male every other post in the thread. >.<

[Ardamis]

Originally posted by Xengre:

Originally posted by Mochi Ardamis:

(lil bit out of the blue here but aldrich is guy)

You are correct. Fail on my part as I correctly referred to Aldrich as a male every other post in the thread. >.<

as for why out of that entire thing "THAT" was the thing i decided to point out XD i have no idea

[Xengre]

Originally posted by Mochi Ardamis:

Originally posted by Xengre:

You are correct. Fail on my part as I correctly referred to Aldrich as a male every other post in the thread. >.<

as for why out of that entire thing "THAT" was the thing i decided to point out XD i have no idea

lmao at least it means you read it. Maybe you learned something if you didn't already know it unlike the other guy who chooses to remain ignorant.

[Ardamis]

Originally posted by Xengre:

Originally posted by Mochi Ardamis:

as for why out of that entire thing "THAT" was the thing i decided to point out XD i have no idea

lmao at least it means you read it. Maybe you learned something if you didn't already know it unlike the other guy who chooses to remain ignorant.

xD

[Little Miss Terror]

Originally posted by Xengre:

Originally posted by Mochi Ardamis:

as for why out of that entire thing "THAT" was the thing i decided to point out XD i have no idea

lmao at least it means you read it. Maybe you learned something if you didn't already know it unlike the other guy who chooses to remain ignorant.

I'm not choosing to remain ignorant anymore, I see what you're saying now.

I want to note (even though it doesn't really matter) that my brother did survive (and beat) him (on ng++++, I was mistaken about him being on ng+++++, but he did get to ng+++++ yesterday afternoon) my brother has a vigor of 40. He might of been mistaken about the 700-800 ar, but he gets the best of both worlds either way because his str is 60 and his dex is 58. Iirc his stamina is around 40.

I actually wanted to use magic stoneplate, but apparently I have to get it from the consumed kings garden, which I can't really do yet.

I can definitely see the benefits of using raw infusions to jack up vigor now. I never didn't think vigor was important, I just never thought about using it with raw infusions, or that once it was high enough you could start heading towards scaling. I apologize for my rudeness, thank you for the knowledge.

[Xengre]

Originally posted by Captain☆Sp@ce☆Pan:

Originally posted by Xengre:

lmao at least it means you read it. Maybe you learned something if you didn't already know it unlike the other guy who chooses to remain ignorant.

I'm not choosing to remain ignorant anymore, I see what you're saying now.

I want to note (even though it doesn't really matter) that my brother did survive (and beat) him (on ng++++, I was mistaken about him being on ng+++++, but he did get to ng+++++ yesterday afternoon) my brother has a vigor of 40. He might of been mistaken about the 700-800 ar, but he gets the best of both worlds either way because his str is 60 and his dex is 58. Iirc his stamina is around 40.

I actually wanted to use magic stoneplate, but apparently I have to get it from the consumed kings garden, which I can't really do yet.

I can definitely see the benefits of using raw infusions to jack up vigor now. I never didn't think vigor was important, I just never thought about using it with raw infusions, or that once it was high enough you could start heading towards scaling. I apologize for my rudeness, thank you for the knowledge.

Yeah, once you get higher level absolutely go for your primary scaling stat. Regarding the Magic Stoneplate Ring you can try to kill Dancer early (just attack the old lady who gave you the flag before Vordt). It isn't a major loss tho since the +0 version isn't that effective. I'd just use a bug pellet (tho worth noting is bug pellets actually stack with buffs as odd as it might seem since most override of the same type). You can use magic barrier spell for time being. It has a very low requirement of just 15 faith (most utility magic is 15 faith or int). It adds a lot of magic resistance, tho Great Magic Barrier outright neuters magic dmg (adds a straight +60% on whatever you got). There is one for fire, too, called Flash Sweat. Sadly, no other major elemental resistances exist besides those three. Bug Pellets, Rings, armor can add up tho (tho the stoneplate rings are nerfed in pvp heavily).

Hey, if you can apologize and go back and learn from it I say all is good.

[Little Miss Terror]

Originally posted by Xengre:

Originally posted by Captain☆Sp@ce☆Pan:

I'm not choosing to remain ignorant anymore, I see what you're saying now.

I want to note (even though it doesn't really matter) that my brother did survive (and beat) him (on ng++++, I was mistaken about him being on ng+++++, but he did get to ng+++++ yesterday afternoon) my brother has a vigor of 40. He might of been mistaken about the 700-800 ar, but he gets the best of both worlds either way because his str is 60 and his dex is 58. Iirc his stamina is around 40.

I actually wanted to use magic stoneplate, but apparently I have to get it from the consumed kings garden, which I can't really do yet.

I can definitely see the benefits of using raw infusions to jack up vigor now. I never didn't think vigor was important, I just never thought about using it with raw infusions, or that once it was high enough you could start heading towards scaling. I apologize for my rudeness, thank you for the knowledge.

Yeah, once you get higher level absolutely go for your primary scaling stat. Regarding the Magic Stoneplate Ring you can try to kill Dancer early (just attack the old lady who gave you the flag before Vordt). It isn't a major loss tho since the +0 version isn't that effective. I'd just use a bug pellet (tho worth noting is bug pellets actually stack with buffs as odd as it might seem since most override of the same type). You can use magic barrier spell for time being. It has a very low requirement of just 15 faith (most utility magic is 15 faith or int). It adds a lot of magic resistance, tho Great Magic Barrier outright neuters magic dmg (adds a straight +60% on whatever you got). There is one for fire, too, called Flash Sweat. Sadly, no other major elemental resistances exist besides those three. Bug Pellets, Rings, armor can add up tho (tho the stoneplate rings are nerfed in pvp heavily).

Hey, if you can apologize and go back and learn from it I say all is good.

Currently Dancer would destroy me. I managed to get Aldrich down to a seventh left yesterday, I'm going to get some more estus shards and then I think with lightning resin and the bug pellets I can beat him. After that I'm probably going to farm to get my vigor to 30~ish as well as get flamberge to +7 before I take on Dancer.

[Little Miss Terror]

I beat Aldrich. So little hp left I couldn't see the red bar. Beat Dancer on my fifth try just now. It was so easy that it made the Aldrich fight look like fighting Sauron from lotr in comparison.