Pyro or Strength build for "newbies"?

[Hampter]

Heya,
Made a post earlier and asked what would be better for noob-ish DS3 players, i currently have a dark pyromancher, got the Demon scar and a pyro-boost rings but i feel like my damage is not enough.
I'm having massive problems with bosses (fighting the Soul of CInder atm, took my pyromancy off for it since the sellsword twinblades do more damage than my whole magic) and let's not talk about the PvP ganks. (i know i gotta git gud)

I was wondering if it would be worth paying a pale tongue and just reselecting my skill points for a strength build.

Edit: I got 40 Int and 42 Faith on my pyro, thought this would be enough for damage but my dark fireball does around 351 to the Soul of Cinder, dunno if that's normal.

[Seferofe]

I'd definitely say a strength or quality build (40 dex and strength) is a lot better for a newby player. That way you have a lot less stats you have to worry about. Don't need int/faith or attunement.

Pyromancers are very powerful for PvE, but again, it's a bit more stat hungry than a pure melee build. And the Soul of Cinder is weak to dark, so you shouldn't be dealing low damage.

I'm guessing you're using Demon's Scar for the casting, in which case you should really use the pyromancy flame or the parting pyro flame. Demon's Scar is a great and fun PvP weapon, but its pyromancies deal a good bit less than the other pyromancy catalysts.

Oh, and you don't need to go over 40 int and faith. After that you don't gain too much damage.

[Alariel]

Something I want add: a pyromancer also can cast miracles.
Against SoC: use Dorhy's Gnawing to bleed him. Sunless Talisman ( from Sirris), miracle boosting rings, Blindfold Mask in case you have the DLC.

[Hampter]

Originally posted by Seferofe:

I'd definitely say a strength or quality build (40 dex and strength) is a lot better for a newby player. That way you have a lot less stats you have to worry about. Don't need int/faith or attunement.

Pyromancers are very powerful for PvE, but again, it's a bit more stat hungry than a pure melee build. And the Soul of Cinder is weak to dark, so you shouldn't be dealing low damage.

I'm guessing you're using Demon's Scar for the casting, in which case you should really use the pyromancy flame or the parting pyro flame. Demon's Scar is a great and fun PvP weapon, but its pyromancies deal a good bit less than the other pyromancy catalysts.

Oh, and you don't need to go over 40 int and faith. After that you don't gain too much damage.

Thank you for the quick reply! yeah, i was told that it's good for PvE, it helped me a lot against the Dancer :D i'll try the Soul of Cinder with my Dark spells again, just found out that the saint-tree bellvine helps with casting spells, i'm definetly trying this now! Gonna use the pyro flame again and see how it goes! :)

If i'm not wrong i can change my stats or appearance up to 3 times, right? do i have time to do this after SoC or am i directly going to enter NG+ after him?

Originally posted by Alariel:

Something I want add: a pyromancer also can cast miracles.
Against SoC: use Dorhy's Gnawing to bleed him. Sunless Talisman ( from Sirris), miracle boosting rings, Blindfold Mask in case you have the DLC.

I got the mask, unsure if i have sold the talisman already, i will try that, thank you!
I used to have the mid-heal miracle but figured out that i'm most likely gonna end up dead before it's done casting :(

Originally posted by yiğitalp:

pyro and str is gay. do quality or dex build

Alright, i will check if i can do one of these! XD

[Seferofe]

Originally posted by Unknown:

Originally posted by Seferofe:

I'd definitely say a strength or quality build (40 dex and strength) is a lot better for a newby player. That way you have a lot less stats you have to worry about. Don't need int/faith or attunement.

Pyromancers are very powerful for PvE, but again, it's a bit more stat hungry than a pure melee build. And the Soul of Cinder is weak to dark, so you shouldn't be dealing low damage.

I'm guessing you're using Demon's Scar for the casting, in which case you should really use the pyromancy flame or the parting pyro flame. Demon's Scar is a great and fun PvP weapon, but its pyromancies deal a good bit less than the other pyromancy catalysts.

Oh, and you don't need to go over 40 int and faith. After that you don't gain too much damage.

Thank you for the quick reply! yeah, i was told that it's good for PvE, it helped me a lot against the Dancer :D i'll try the Soul of Cinder with my Dark spells again, just found out that the saint-tree bellvine helps with casting spells, i'm definetly trying this now! Gonna use the pyro flame again and see how it goes! :)

If i'm not wrong i can change my stats or appearance up to 3 times, right? do i have time to do this after SoC or am i directly going to enter NG+ after him?

Originally posted by Alariel:

Something I want add: a pyromancer also can cast miracles.
Against SoC: use Dorhy's Gnawing to bleed him. Sunless Talisman ( from Sirris), miracle boosting rings, Blindfold Mask in case you have the DLC.

I got the mask, unsure if i have sold the talisman already, i will try that, thank you!
I used to have the mid-heal miracle but figured out that i'm most likely gonna end up dead before it's done casting :(

Originally posted by yiğitalp:

pyro and str is gay. do quality or dex build

Alright, i will check if i can do one of these! XD

You can respec your stats or appearance 5 times total per NG. There is a glitch for infinite respecs though.

Also once you kill the Soul of Cinder you don't immediately get put into NG+. You get given an option, and if you click "no" you can go into NG+ at the Firelink bonfire whenever you want.

By the way, since lightning and crystal weapons scale best up to 40 faith/int respectively, it means you can infuse weapons with that as well as chaos and dark. They won't deal as much damage, but it does let you take advantage of an enemy or bosses weakness. It should certainly help for things like Midir if you haven't fought it yet.

[Alariel]

Btw: I remember your pyromancer stats you posted a few hours ago.
Your char is fine to play through NG+. I would level a bit endurance since you need it for casting pyromancies.
Pyromancers can be strong dark builds in PvP too. In that case you need 24 att or 30 maximum.
In any case you need some melee weapon, dark and chaos infused.
Just try different weapons to figure out the moveset you like. Per ex. Dark Claymore orLothric Knight SS.
Also for meta level PvP you need a bit more vigor. For PvE your vigor is fine.

[Hampter]

Oh, thanks for the tipp!
Well, i've only got 3 pale tongues anyway so i guess i should look up the glitch, unless i find a way to get easy ones >.<

That's good to know! i'll take my time then and try one of the above builds just to get a little more experience :)

Oh, i didn't knew this yet, thank you!! The only thing i ever infused were my sellsword twinblades with a sharp gem, that's it. I'll see if i can get anything good with my current stuff!
I'm kinda lucky and had someone help me with Midir, already got him and Gael :)

[Hampter]

Originally posted by Alariel:

Btw: I remember your pyromancer stats you posted a few hours ago.
Your char is fine to play through NG+. I would level a bit endurance since you need it for casting pyromancies.
Pyromancers can be strong dark builds in PvP too. In that case you need 24 att or 30 maximum.
In any case you need some melee weapon, dark and chaos infused.
Just try different weapons to figure out the moveset you like. Per ex. Dark Claymore orLothric Knight SS.
Also for meta level PvP you need a bit more vigor. For PvE your vigor is fine.

I didn't knew anybody read it, thanks for looking through it!
I'll try to change a few things then, thank you!
Yeah, i am having a few problems with my endurance that's why i used the Chol.+3 Ring >.<
I'll try a little pvp with the new stats later, thanks for the help!