Astora straightsword vs. Anri's

[Mirri]

Poked around online a bit but didn't see a whole lot. I've been enhacing both the Astora straightsword and Anri's straightswotd with the idea to stick with whichever one eneded up being better. Thus far, the two are the same except that the astora sword (currently +5 or 6) has a higher base damage and Anri's (+3 or 4) has higher plus damage.

I use the astora because of the higher base damage, but I've heard that luck affects Anri's to a point, but I'm not sure by how much and haven't found details. I'm currently focusing only on Vig/End/Str/Faith. Would boosting my luck have any significant impact? So far the faith boost on Anri's just evens it with the better Str/Dex on Astora.

[Facu]

Yeah, Anri´s sword scale with luck AND regen 2 hp if im not wrong.

[Mirri]

I think my luck is still at starter stats right now. The one's I'm working on are all about 22. I haven't anythign in the description yet to tell me that the swords have anything different, or do I not see some things until they are enhanced high enough? This being my first run though, I'm not sure yet how far I want to spread my points.

My shield gives me regen I noticed. Would that stack with the sword or would the game just pick which of the two was better?

[Artek [General]]

Anri's SS has awesome luck scaling and is kinda viable in endgame. Health regen can be stacked with other sources, which is useful in early game.

Astora SS is unique: it has insane base damage and is VERY good with RAW infusion, especially at early game stages (until SL90 or osmething).
One of my characters is SL60 right now with 21 STR and 16 DEX and when compared between each other at +6 Raw Astora SS deals same or even more damage than any other item that is not a GS or UGS.

The only way you are getting over that raw damage is going 40/40 quality build, but even then something tells me Lothric SS will be better at this point since it has awesome quality potential and increased attack range as well.

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by Artek General:

The only way you are getting over that raw damage is going 40/40 quality build, but even then something tells me Lothric SS will be better at this point since it has awesome quality potential and increased attack range as well.

Anri's and 40 Luck is enough, actually. By far.
Regarding 40/40, Lothric SS isn't that strong, pretty sure it's behind all the Dark Sword, SSS and Broadsword. Maybe Longsword, too. Yes, the behind the Longsword, too.

[Smug Kot]

Originally posted by TrueArchery:

Originally posted by Artek General:

The only way you are getting over that raw damage is going 40/40 quality build, but even then something tells me Lothric SS will be better at this point since it has awesome quality potential and increased attack range as well.

Anri's and 40 Luck is enough, actually. By far.

i dont like it with 380 something AR, investing more in luck to cap it at 400 its dumb but gotta love those exactly "400 AR"

[Deadly.Crystal.Lizard]

well it's called anri's speedrun sword for a reason. to put it simply, if you use anris, all you have to do is level up luck and nothing else. later you put on bleed resin on it, since bleed is affected by luck as well and you melt bosses away.
it is one of the best weapons in the game, the thing is, that this is your first playthrough. i would not go for something specialized as this and rather do a 40str/40dex quality build, so that you can use most weapons in the game and test them out. you can of course stil use it but you would not make the best out of the weapon.

astoras is amazing for casters who cannot invest in strengh and dex and for lower levels because it has insane base damage with raw infusion. this makes it a bit less useful later in the game but it is pretty good overall.

in short, both are good, just pick one, play the game and experiment with other weapons.

[Mirri]

Since both swords use different materials to boost them, I'm happy to play around with each and swap as I feel like it. I do have another character that I'm trying different stuff on. I'm mostly wondering how much of a grind it would be to boost my luck. I can imagine sacrificing strength since I do want to keep up with faith, though I don't use miracles as much as I could.

I do like the idea of testing out luck though, and seeing what happens.

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by TrueArchery:

Anri's and 40 Luck is enough, actually. By far.
Regarding 40/40, Lothric SS isn't that strong, pretty sure it's behind all the Dark Sword, SSS and Broadsword. Maybe Longsword, too.

Actually its fairly decent. Refined +10 at 40/40 has something like 410-420 damage and it reaches 440 when you two-hand it.

The thing with Lothric SS is this: its an EXTREMELY versalite weapon because it has a lot of useful little things going on making it perfect weapon for any situation.

- Highest range amongst straight swords (on par with Dark Sword i presume?)
- Full R2 thrusting moveset that perfectly utilises increased range, perfect for pushing people with counter-attack damage
- Increased critical damage for parries and backstabs
- Actually useful weapon art (guard breaking / hyperpoised thrusting charge)

With such a weapon you are prepared for literally anything.

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by Mirri:

Since both swords use different materials to boost them, I'm happy to play around with each and swap as I feel like it. I do have another character that I'm trying different stuff on. I'm mostly wondering how much of a grind it would be to boost my luck. I can imagine sacrificing strength since I do want to keep up with faith, though I don't use miracles as much as I could.

I do like the idea of testing out luck though, and seeing what happens.

You do know that there's a way in the game to respec your stats right?

[Mirri]

Originally posted by Artek General:

Originally posted by Mirri:

Since both swords use different materials to boost them, I'm happy to play around with each and swap as I feel like it. I do have another character that I'm trying different stuff on. I'm mostly wondering how much of a grind it would be to boost my luck. I can imagine sacrificing strength since I do want to keep up with faith, though I don't use miracles as much as I could.

I do like the idea of testing out luck though, and seeing what happens.

You do know that there's a way in the game to respec your stats right?

Yes, I do. Just thinking about that.

[Deadly.Crystal.Lizard]

Originally posted by Mirri:

Since both swords use different materials to boost them, I'm happy to play around with each and swap as I feel like it. I do have another character that I'm trying different stuff on. I'm mostly wondering how much of a grind it would be to boost my luck. I can imagine sacrificing strength since I do want to keep up with faith, though I don't use miracles as much as I could.

I do like the idea of testing out luck though, and seeing what happens.

would either discard faith and go str/dex/luck or not bother with luck at all for now otherwise your stats get too spread out.

[Mirri]

Originally posted by Deadly.Crystal.Lizard:

would either discard faith and go str/dex/luck or not bother with luck at all for now otherwise your stats get too spread out.

That was my concern. I can always try Anri's on another character though.

Regarding Lothric's, is that an enemy drop or a boss drop?

So raw sounds the best option for Astora. What about Lightning on a straightsword? Lightning was part of the reason for the faith focus.

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by Mirri:

Originally posted by Deadly.Crystal.Lizard:

would either discard faith and go str/dex/luck or not bother with luck at all for now otherwise your stats get too spread out.

That was my concern. I can always try Anri's on another character though.

Regarding Lothric's, is that an enemy drop or a boss drop?

So raw sounds the best option for Astora. What about Lightning on a straightsword? Lightning was part of the reason for the faith focus.

A drop by the knights on the high wall wielding it.
The Lightning-infusion is rather bad because it doesn't scale as well as Chaos and Dark due to 1-stat-scaling. For PvE you can still work with it, a bunch of stuff isn't very strong against Lightning. In PvP it's not that good because Endurance increases Lightning-Def and pretty much everyone has that at 40.

Originally posted by Artek General:

Originally posted by TrueArchery:

Anri's and 40 Luck is enough, actually. By far.
Regarding 40/40, Lothric SS isn't that strong, pretty sure it's behind all the Dark Sword, SSS and Broadsword. Maybe Longsword, too.

Actually its fairly decent. Refined +10 at 40/40 has something like 410-420 damage and it reaches 440 when you two-hand it.

The thing with Lothric SS is this: its an EXTREMELY versalite weapon because it has a lot of useful little things going on making it perfect weapon for any situation.

- Highest range amongst straight swords (on par with Dark Sword i presume?)
- Full R2 thrusting moveset that perfectly utilises increased range, perfect for pushing people with counter-attack damage
- Increased critical damage for parries and backstabs
- Actually useful weapon art (guard breaking / hyperpoised thrusting charge)

With such a weapon you are prepared for literally anything.

I didn't say it was bad, I just said it's one of the "weaker" SSs in comparison to the mentioned stuff because you were praising it's "quality-potential".

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by TrueArchery:

I didn't say it was bad, I just said it's one of the "weaker" SSs in comparison to the mentioned stuff because you were praising it's "quality-potential".

Well as long as the damage is above 400 i'm fine with it.
Nothing seems bad in comparsion to Storm Curved Sword with its legendary 375 damage when 40/40 two-handed.
And to think that the thing weights 5 kg, making it the second heaviest curved sword in the game right after Carthus one...
Where all the balancing gone on this one, eh Frommy? Did you were like "it knockbacks people with weapon art, so OP, must compensate!"

Like, i'm not the one to whine about balancing in this game, i accepted the fact of small power creep in the game, but some design decisions Frommy made just do not compute.