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Sines Dec 5, 2017 @ 6:49pm
Luck Builds?
Curious as to what people have thought of Luck builds? Both for Hollow Weapons as well as Poison/Bleed weapons. What weapons do people use, and how do Poison, Bleed and Hallow infusion stack up against each other? Preference for usefulness in PvE, though PvP usefulness would be nice. Also, I like the idea of using paired weapons in such a build, so if any of them are well suited to a Luck build, let me know about those as well.

Thanks for your responses!
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Azertah Dec 5, 2017 @ 6:55pm 
Hollow weapons are okayish, never quite as good as you would get with Heavy/Sharp build. Bleed is the best of the bunch in PvE and can be very effective in PvP too. Poison isn't very good, but against some enemies in PvE it can work, like Gael for example.

Anris SS is a very nice side weapon on a luck build and if you want to use paired weapons you should try bleed warden twinblades they're great.
lpnlizard27 Dec 5, 2017 @ 7:14pm 
Carthus rouge was nerfed for dual wielded weapons so don't bother. Currently if you want a bleed build go max hollow and luck, and of course min dex/str for your weapon set.

Whatever weapon you like make sure it has innate bleed, then infuse with bleed. The amount of proc damage increases greatly with bleed infusion over rouge. The formula is a bit complicated, look it up if you wish.

Also have a backup weapon that's not reliant on bleed, i normally use a CCS, but whatever you like. Just make sure it's hollow infused, and keep some elemental resins handy.

Avoid big weapons like the spiked mace or even the flamberge as bleed weapons, they are difficult to proc and better used as pve weapons.
Last edited by lpnlizard27; Dec 5, 2017 @ 7:14pm
Sines Dec 5, 2017 @ 7:31pm 
So, sounds like Warden Twinblades as a base weapon, and then find something to Hollow as a backup weapon.

How does Luck scale for Bleed and Hollow then? Where are the Softcaps?

I figure I might want to get my Vigor, Endurance and maybe Vitality stat-ups out early, since I'll not have a whole lot to benefit from Luck from the first stretch of the game. Might drop a poison stone into the Sellsword Twinblades or the Twin Daggers, just so I can have it. Might as well, right? Anything worth infusing into the Warden Twinblades while I'm working my way up to the Profane Coal?
lpnlizard27 Dec 5, 2017 @ 7:40pm 
WTB Should be bleed infused. At 50 luck the bleed build up is 83. Also is a paired weapon meaning each L1 hits for 1.75 of the status build up (145.25)

Just use sell swords until you have the right coal.

Compared with hollow and carthus rouge the build up rate is not even close and the bleed infusion is permanent and not effected by a duel charm.

Also bleed infusion effects the bleed proc damage itself. Bleed infusion will cause significantly more damage on proc than regular bleed caused by innate buildup or rouge.
Last edited by lpnlizard27; Dec 5, 2017 @ 7:41pm
aathimar Dec 5, 2017 @ 11:14pm 
After last patch hollow infusion is good only for some weapons (check Mugen calculator) and only if you go 150+ SL since you'll need 40+ str/dex/luck to have more AR than with other infusions. Also keep in mind that any other infusion + any weapon buff > hollow infusion without buff. What i'm saying is that it's better to go str/dex/quality + 30 int or faith at 150 SL. So that brings you to 180+SL as you need 40+ str/dex/luck and 30+ int or faith to TRULY benefit from hollow infusion.

Bleed infusin is crap - same damage as sharp/heavy/quality/hollow (depending on weapon) but needs time for setup. Good vs some bosses though.

Poison infusion...just forget about it.
Last edited by aathimar; Dec 5, 2017 @ 11:33pm
DRAKONIIUS Dec 6, 2017 @ 12:04am 
Originally posted by Sines:
Curious as to what people have thought of Luck builds? Both for Hollow Weapons as well as Poison/Bleed weapons. What weapons do people use, and how do Poison, Bleed and Hallow infusion stack up against each other? Preference for usefulness in PvE, though PvP usefulness would be nice. Also, I like the idea of using paired weapons in such a build, so if any of them are well suited to a Luck build, let me know about those as well.

Thanks for your responses!
Check this out, hollow build with Zweihander and <30% equip load
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/260513
TrueArchery Dec 6, 2017 @ 2:54am 
Best backup weapon for Luck builds is just Anri's Straight Sword tbh.

Originally posted by Azertah:
Hollow weapons are okayish, never quite as good as you would get with Heavy/Sharp build.
Wrong, they have the highest possible (non-split) AR. Obviously, you need lots of stats, but they ARE going to be better than Heavy/Sharp/Refined, at least for most weapons.
Capped build - different story. Although quite a few weapons are better

Originally posted by aathimar:
After last patch hollow infusion is good only for some weapons (check Mugen calculator) and only if you go 150+ SL since you'll need 40+ str/dex/luck to have more AR than with other infusions. Also keep in mind that any other infusion + any weapon buff > hollow infusion without buff. What i'm saying is that it's better to go str/dex/quality + 30 int or faith at 150 SL. So that brings you to 180+SL as you need 40+ str/dex/luck and 30+ int or faith to TRULY benefit from hollow infusion.

Bleed infusin is crap - same damage as sharp/heavy/quality/hollow (depending on weapon) but needs time for setup. Good vs some bosses though.

Poison infusion...just forget about it.
Ehh at 30 Int/Fth CMW etc. add like 130-140 AR. Resins and Bundles already add 90 to 120, that investment is just absolutely not worth it.
Plus, Duel Charms exist.

Hollow adds like 30ish AR over Sharp/Refined @40/40/40 (latter goes from 30 to 40 with 2x +10 Hollow-infused items) in case of the LKS or CCS, for example. I really don't want to check for every weapon but it should be around that for most stuff. Add a Resin and wow, you reach about the same AR - possible differences are peanuts - as with Sharp/etc., 30 Int or Fth and a spell-buff, but more reliable because more damage actually comes from the weapon that from the buff.

Blood infusion is viable, but gimmicky and indeed heavily relies on the bleed-proc. Inferior to straight damage, but not really crap... Poison is almost useless but if you can proc it at the start of a fight, it'll rack up a few dozen points of damage and counter backpedaling for regen... it'll also build up during iframes and I mean - no further investment necessary, so your build can just take it for free. Although it's probably better to just use a Hollow etc. and smack them once, since that's the same, rather more damage than Poison will ever deal.
TrueArchery Dec 6, 2017 @ 2:55am 
Originally posted by DRAKONIIUS:
Originally posted by Sines:
Curious as to what people have thought of Luck builds? Both for Hollow Weapons as well as Poison/Bleed weapons. What weapons do people use, and how do Poison, Bleed and Hallow infusion stack up against each other? Preference for usefulness in PvE, though PvP usefulness would be nice. Also, I like the idea of using paired weapons in such a build, so if any of them are well suited to a Luck build, let me know about those as well.

Thanks for your responses!
Check this out, hollow build with Zweihander and <30% equip load
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/260513
Ultra, squishy and about zero Poise. Bad build. Wouldn't recommend it.

Sub 30 roll is awfully useless anyway, no matter your weapon.
Last edited by TrueArchery; Dec 6, 2017 @ 2:55am
DRAKONIIUS Dec 6, 2017 @ 3:24am 
Originally posted by TrueArchery:
Originally posted by DRAKONIIUS:
Check this out, hollow build with Zweihander and <30% equip load
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/260513
Ultra, squishy and about zero Poise. Bad build. Wouldn't recommend it.

Sub 30 roll is awfully useless anyway, no matter your weapon.
First, buy Dark Souls 3, your opinion doesn't matter if you can't try this build.
Gyve Dec 6, 2017 @ 3:30am 
Originally posted by TrueArchery:
Originally posted by DRAKONIIUS:
Check this out, hollow build with Zweihander and <30% equip load
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/260513
Ultra, squishy and about zero Poise. Bad build. Wouldn't recommend it.

Sub 30 roll is awfully useless anyway, no matter your weapon.
39 vigor is squishy?

okay..
Jaago Dec 6, 2017 @ 3:32am 
Originally posted by DRAKONIIUS:
Originally posted by TrueArchery:
Ultra, squishy and about zero Poise. Bad build. Wouldn't recommend it.

Sub 30 roll is awfully useless anyway, no matter your weapon.
First, buy Dark Souls 3, your opinion doesn't matter if you can't try this build.
First, archery has been here since april 2016. Guess console is his thing.

Anycase, assumption is the mother of all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
TrueArchery Dec 6, 2017 @ 3:37am 
Originally posted by DRAKONIIUS:
Originally posted by TrueArchery:
Ultra, squishy and about zero Poise. Bad build. Wouldn't recommend it.

Sub 30 roll is awfully useless anyway, no matter your weapon.
First, buy Dark Souls 3, your opinion doesn't matter if you can't try this build.
PS4, duh

Originally posted by MrNogginHead:
Originally posted by TrueArchery:
Ultra, squishy and about zero Poise. Bad build. Wouldn't recommend it.

Sub 30 roll is awfully useless anyway, no matter your weapon.
39 vigor is squishy?

okay..
39 Vig is okay, but light armor, no poise. Ultra without Poise - huge handicap.
Ring of Steel Protection is nerfed in PvP.

Heavy Zwei @ 66 Str has higher AR, at least 2h, and there's little reason to 1h it save for occasional parries.
Puts you at SL111 if you remove all Luck and Dex past the 11 requirement, put that into Vgr or Vit instead.
Equip some actually useful armor.
Build effectivity rising exponentially.
Stellar Fox Dec 6, 2017 @ 4:57am 
40/40/30 str dex luck build, ccs and parry shield hollow infused and rest of points into hp and stamina. Buff with carthus rouge and you got a really good pvp build
Last edited by Stellar Fox; Dec 6, 2017 @ 4:57am
40+13x-3=17x-363 Dec 6, 2017 @ 5:38am 
Originally posted by DRAKONIIUS:
Originally posted by TrueArchery:
Ultra, squishy and about zero Poise. Bad build. Wouldn't recommend it.

Sub 30 roll is awfully useless anyway, no matter your weapon.
First, buy Dark Souls 3, your opinion doesn't matter if you can't try this build.
-1k+ hours in the game.
-Thinks 30% roll and no poise builds are good for ultra weapons.
Sines Dec 6, 2017 @ 6:29pm 
Got my Warden Twin Blades and 21 Luck at the moment, and a lot of basic enemies die without taking a bleed proc, while taking an extra hit to go down. While I'm determined to give a Luck build a fair try with some Bleed weapons, I wonder what exactly I'm getting out of this, compared to just going for a mono-stat or quality build...

Still need to get it Bleed infused though, so maybe that'll change things up.

Not sure what the point of the Twinblades weapon skill is. Yah, I know you can use a normal heavy attack to extent the combo, but while it looks nice, it doesn't seem to do anything special, and I swear it causes less poise damage. Basic combo just seems a better option.
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