Question about Parry and animations

[Turd Cutter]

Does anyone knwo why it seems the shields that have the same animation as small leather shield work "better" than say grass shield or any other shields with that animation??

I even like it better than caestus because it seems it is too fast. I miss more with caestus. However the animation is faster than any others. You woudl think it would be better?

[Seferofe]

Small leather shield is a small shield with the same parry animation/frames as the buckler and target shield. Those three have the most parry frames of all tools. Things like medium shield (grass crest shield) have the least, hence why they're the hardest to time. Caestus and claws parry frames start early compaired to other tools besides the first 3 shields I mentioned.

You can see the parry frames for each tool if you scroll down slightly on this wiki page:
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/buckler

[lpnlizard27]

Parry frames differ per tool, despite similar animations.

[Turd Cutter]

Originally posted by lpnlizard27:

Parry frames differ per tool, despite similar animations.

yeah i know, what i am asking is why does the one which has a longer time seem to work better?

[Turd Cutter]

most say the caesus works best

[Seferofe]

Originally posted by Turd Cutter:

most say the caesus works best

They say that since it ties with the earliest start up frames with the buckler. However, the buckler is a lot more punishable since the entire parry animation lasts a lot longer than the caestus. Caestus is also good since it can do a basic R1 which can be useful when paired with slow weapons.

[Annie T. Mood]

People forget that things like the Painting Curved Sword and the Sellsword Twinblades can parry as well; I find those parry animations harder to use.

[Zehk Naerun]

Originally posted by Annie T. Mood:

People forget that things like the Painting Curved Sword and the Sellsword Twinblades can parry as well; I find those parry animations harder to use.

You can parry with curved swords!?

[BobaWett]

Originally posted by Zehk Naerûn M.I.L.L.I:

Originally posted by Annie T. Mood:

People forget that things like the Painting Curved Sword and the Sellsword Twinblades can parry as well; I find those parry animations harder to use.

You can parry with curved swords!?

If they're in the offhand, yeah. It really throws people off too

[inkbiegel]

keep in mind that since the nerf to caestus and claw parries, you take a counterhit on a partial parry, if I'm not mistaken.

[Annie T. Mood]

Originally posted by inkbiegel:

keep in mind that since the nerf to caestus and claw parries, you take a counterhit on a partial parry, if I'm not mistaken.

I can confirm that you do.

[PhoenixWheel]

Active Parry Frames

- Any medium parrying shield/certain off-hand curved swords/Farron GS: 6 frames.
- Any small parrying shield except Buckler/Target Shield/Small Leather Shield: 10 frames.
- Any off-hand fist weapon: 10 frames (fist weapons active window starts 2 frames earlier than small shields).
- Buckler/Target Shield/Small Leather Shield: 12 frames (with slightly longer recovery frames).
- Parrying Dagger: 10 frames (active window starts the same as medium shields).
- Off-hand Rapier: 8 frames.
- Any katana with the "Hold" skill: 4 frames.

[Turd Cutter]

Originally posted by PhoenixWheel:

Active Parry Frames

- Any medium parrying shield/certain off-hand curved swords/Farron GS: 6 frames.
- Any small parrying shield except Buckler/Target Shield/Small Leather Shield: 10 frames.
- Any off-hand fist weapon: 10 frames (fist weapons active window starts 2 frames earlier than small shields).
- Buckler/Target Shield/Small Leather Shield: 12 frames (with slightly longer recovery frames).
- Parrying Dagger: 10 frames (active window starts the same as medium shields).
- Off-hand Rapier: 8 frames.
- Any katana with the "Hold" skill: 4 frames.

Hey thanks a lot for the info, what about causes?

[ConflictFreak]

caestus parry frames start at 8.1 frames and lasts for 8.3 frames.
buckler starts at 8.1 frames and lasts for 10.1 frames
target shield starts at 8.1 and lasts for 9.9 frames
lewelynn starts at 10.1 frames and lasts for 9.9 frames (some small shields last for 10.1 frames)
silver knight shield starts at 12.2 frames and lasts for 4.1
crest shield starts at 12 and lasts for 4.1
washing pole starts at 8.1 and lasts for 8.3
uchigatana starts at 8.1 and lasts for 8.1
parrying dagger starts at 12 and lasts for 8.1
rapier starts at 12 and lasts for 6.2
farron greatsword starts at 12 and lasts for 6.2
scimitar starts at 12 and lasts for 4.1
shotel starts at 12 and lasts for 4.3

dont know if anyone mentioned the exact statistics but anyway, hope this will be useful

[[Jintoro]]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TmKpp2lOOcHvoDnjB9P0LGDN71Np0Gr68tPQ8BkqxZ8/edit#gid=1750682766
Here's a spreadsheet that has every bit of info you need about parrying and hyperarmor frames.

[cridus]

Thanks guys. I thought the lothric knight shield was as good as the smaller shields with the same animation, but it's not so. It's time to get an iron round shield.