Is it just me or great sword/ultra great is useless in PvE?

[C03]

I feel like the mobs are too fast to get hit or not enough poise damage to be anything useful. Is it just me? I had better result with straight sword, especially against the bosses.

[ShinkuTear]

引用自 UnbornCorpser：

引用自 Kawaii Fire Keeper：

I'm on NG+5 with my Miracle-Knight, and LUGS wrecks everything still. If it isn't a one-shot, it's a two-shot with added stun-locking to boot.

LUGS?

LUGS is most likely Lothric Ultra GreatSword. I can't think of any other UGS that start with an L word.

Using big weapons, especially any of the Ultras, requires learning when it is 'safe' to swing, and when each of your different swings would be useful. Since they are slow, you live and die by proper movement and timing.

Use em well, and you'll be annihilating most enemies that you fight. Use em poorly, and you'll be annihilated by most enemies.

[Pyramid Bread]

引用自 ShinkuTear：

引用自 UnbornCorpser：

LUGS?

LUGS is most likely Lothric Ultra GreatSword. I can't think of any other UGS that start with an L word.

Lorian's

[C03]

引用自 Mad Scientist：

Ultra GreatSwords used to be my favourite class with Lorian's being my favourite weapon for my pyro build but they've fallen out of favor for me recently, yes, there are a lot of advantages to UGS weapons such as how you can cheese any human-sized enemy like the Abyss watchers or NPC invaders by spamming the 2 handed charge stab with the knockdown, they have great damage and crowd control capability, stun lock etc.

Very late game I started to have some difficulties with certain bosses using such a slow weapon though, particularly with the Twin Princes and some other fast bosses. Lorian has a kind of rhythm you have to dance to with a beat between his attacks where you have to time to give one of your own, I've found with an UGS the attack is so slow that even if I timed my attack right he will attack me again before I have time to recover from my attack animation. Similar difficulties with Soul of Cinder.

I've started using faster weapons and have been finding much more success with them in both PvE and PvP. I like greatswords a lot but ultra greatswords are just a tad too slow most of the time and I find the disadvantages outweigh the advantages. I still use Ultra Greatswords sometimes but it's situational for me now. My pyro build is now running Chaos Onikiri and Ubadachi as my main weapon which I am loving for the 1.5x damage modifier with the L1s on twin weapons and the massive DPS I can rack up quickly. Worth mentioning that Onyx Blade is my next favourite weapon on my pyro build. I love greatswords, just don't particularly like UGS anymore, especially in PvP.

Exactly. I was struggling with twin princess using Zwei, I switched to black blade or Irithyll Straight Sword and I started to get much better result. This was some what similar to dragon slayer too. The total damage output of smaller weapons are much better and faster than UGS, and most of damage difference is within 100 range.

Of course, I don't spam R1 in PvP... I want longer fight anyway.

[Pyramid Bread]

I recently did twin princes at 50sl with smough's hammer... so I basically had enough stamina to attack once then roll. The only actual safe attack was rolling attack, but at least it stunned him in 4-5 hits and I got a nice riposte.

Also in phase 2 the hammer hits both young and old prince at the same time which is pretty nice

[TurranMC]

Ultimately faster weapons are probably better but I main a greatsword and it's perfectly fine. Just requires more patience with swings as you're easier to punish if you try to get greedy.

For reference I've helped people kill bosses on NG+9.

[.Stream]

引用自 UnbornCorpser：

引用自 Zerberius：

greatswords are fun to play and they're good. The twin princes greatsword is very good for PvE as it has the fire damage and staggers most enemies... in PvP it has a lot of utility, but it's damage is lacking = 3=. Also, in general, one handing greatswords is better for PvE as you swing faster and wider, 2 handing is swings slower but you have hyperarmour.

You should have hyper armor regardless of one-handing or two-handing when wielding heavy weapons.

No, one handed swings on greatswords don't have hyperarmour. Only Ultra Greatswords and it's brothers have hyperarmour on one handed swings.

[TurranMC]

Hyper-armor is connected to poise now. Nothing has "innate" hyper armor. With enough poise Greatswords have great hyper armor.

[Dan000000]

I found it easier to kill sister friede at sl120 ng+7 with yorms than with a fast weapon so i would say heavy weapons are veryy viable pve

[TheMetalCorpser]

引用自 ShinkuTear：

LUGS is most likely Lothric Ultra GreatSword. I can't think of any other UGS that start with an L word.

Using big weapons, especially any of the Ultras, requires learning when it is 'safe' to swing, and when each of your different swings would be useful. Since they are slow, you live and die by proper movement and timing.

Use em well, and you'll be annihilating most enemies that you fight. Use em poorly, and you'll be annihilated by most enemies.

That's what I thought but I thought they meant FUGS.

引用自 Zerberius：

No, one handed swings on greatswords don't have hyperarmour. Only Ultra Greatswords and it's brothers have hyperarmour on one handed swings.

Oh my mistake I read that as ultra greatswords didn't notice you meant basic greatswords. My mistake.

引用自 decadence：

Lorian's

That would also work but eh hate when several weapons dominate a weapon genre.

[.Stream]

引用自 TurranMC：

Hyper-armor is connected to poise now. Nothing has "innate" hyper armor. With enough poise Greatswords have great hyper armor.

Actually, greatswords, maces and anything bigger have hyperarmour... they all have hyperarmour frames, the only difference that poise makes is how easy it is to break/stagger you out of your hyperarmour frames.

EDIT - greatswords and maces are limited to hyperarmour frames when 2 handing. The ultra weapons have hyperarmour on both 2 handed and 1 handed.

Even if you have 0 poise, you won't get staggered out of a hyperarmour frame on greatswords as long as the thing hitting you doesn't have enough poise damage to knock you out of it ( Daggers and fist weapons. ), anything that deals big enough poise damage can, and will, knock you out of your hyperarmour frames ( The ultra weapons, glaives, etc... thing to note that Great Hammers have the highest hyperarmour frames that aren't WA and they also deal the most poise damage while having the highest poise multiplier )

[TurranMC]

引用自 Zerberius：

引用自 TurranMC：

Hyper-armor is connected to poise now. Nothing has "innate" hyper armor. With enough poise Greatswords have great hyper armor.

Actually, greatswords, maces and anything bigger have hyperarmour... they all have hyperarmour frames, the only difference that poise makes is how easy it is to break/stagger you out of your hyperarmour frames.

EDIT - greatswords and maces are limited to hyperarmour frames when 2 handing. The ultra weapons have hyperarmour on both 2 handed and 1 handed.

Even if you have 0 poise, you won't get staggered out of a hyperarmour frame on greatswords as long as the thing hitting you doesn't have enough poise damage to knock you out of it ( Daggers and fist weapons. ), anything that deals big enough poise damage can, and will, knock you out of your hyperarmour frames ( The ultra weapons, glaives, etc... thing to note that Great Hammers have the highest hyperarmour frames that aren't WA and they also deal the most poise damage while having the highest poise multiplier )

This is not true. I run a poise build and my 1H Greatsword can hyper-armor through the first hit of anything short of UGS or above. I have to do something right now but I can explain the rest or even test it in-game with you in a bit if you do not believe.

[TurranMC]

引用自 TurranMC：

引用自 Zerberius：

Actually, greatswords, maces and anything bigger have hyperarmour... they all have hyperarmour frames, the only difference that poise makes is how easy it is to break/stagger you out of your hyperarmour frames.

EDIT - greatswords and maces are limited to hyperarmour frames when 2 handing. The ultra weapons have hyperarmour on both 2 handed and 1 handed.

Even if you have 0 poise, you won't get staggered out of a hyperarmour frame on greatswords as long as the thing hitting you doesn't have enough poise damage to knock you out of it ( Daggers and fist weapons. ), anything that deals big enough poise damage can, and will, knock you out of your hyperarmour frames ( The ultra weapons, glaives, etc... thing to note that Great Hammers have the highest hyperarmour frames that aren't WA and they also deal the most poise damage while having the highest poise multiplier )

This is not true. I run a poise build and my 1H Greatsword can hyper-armor through the first hit of anything short of UGS or above. I have to do something right now but I can explain the rest or even test it in-game with you in a bit if you do not believe.

Actually I might be wrong! I'm looking around and hyper armor is only mentioned with Greatsword's 2H attacks and not 1H. This is confusing to me as I am very confident I've hyper-armored through many attacks before. I need to do more reading or otherwise test to figure out exactly what is happening.

[Zach]

A weapon category that can do 400+ damage useless? Huh?

[.Stream]

引用自 TurranMC：

Actually I might be wrong! I'm looking around and hyper armor is only mentioned with Greatsword's 2H attacks and not 1H. This is confusing to me as I am very confident I've hyper-armored through many attacks before. I need to do more reading or otherwise test to figure out exactly what is happening.

I've used greatswords for PvP and PvE for at least 200 hours in DS3, I know they don't have hyperarmour on the 1 handed swings... since you're doing a "Poise build" you should know that...

[Artek [General]]

There are certain situations when UGS become quiet ♥♥♥♥ in PvE. Mostly when you are wastly outnumbered and can't allow yourself to stay in one place for longer than a second.
Which is exactly how long your UGS will lock you into place to get f*cked by something