Is it just me or great sword/ultra great is useless in PvE?

[C03]

I feel like the mobs are too fast to get hit or not enough poise damage to be anything useful. Is it just me? I had better result with straight sword, especially against the bosses.

[Facu]

Just you, my PVE runs are with GS and UGS. Learn the timing?

[Lazarus]

greatswords are great in pve

[TheMetalCorpser]

Originally posted by Shiosan:

I feel like the mobs are too fast to get hit or not enough poise damage to be anything useful. Is it just me? I had better result with straight sword, especially against the bosses.

Any fast weapon is vastly easier to spam and use on bosses/mobs. The problem for heavy slow weapons is some enemies just can't be staggered and this becomes highly dangerous past NG+4. Try using a great hammer even worse.

Originally posted by Facu:

Just you, my PVE runs are with GS and UGS. Learn the timing?

Not every enemy will flinch and some are extremely fast. Unless you spam constant backstabs.

[Skeleton]

:L Is this a serious response? I honestly can't tell.

My 1,200 damage LUGS /w Lightning Blade really loves the PvE. I mean... REALLY, loves the PvE.

[JuiceySpice]

Utilize hyper armor better,
learn spacing,
use your longer range to your advantage.

This is how you use str weps in pve
(admittedly they are inferior to straight sword r1 spam that carries most people through the game)

[C03]

Originally posted by UnbornCorpser:

Originally posted by Shiosan:

I feel like the mobs are too fast to get hit or not enough poise damage to be anything useful. Is it just me? I had better result with straight sword, especially against the bosses.

Any fast weapon is vastly easier to spam and use on bosses/mobs. The problem for heavy slow weapons is some enemies just can't be staggered and this becomes highly dangerous past NG+4. Try using a great hammer even worse.

Originally posted by Facu:

Just you, my PVE runs are with GS and UGS. Learn the timing?

Not every enemy will flinch and some are extremely fast. Unless you spam constant backstabs.

I'm in NG+, that could be why. I can use GS UGS with no problem against most of mobs, but especially any fast bosses it is far too dangerous to risk of getting counter. It's usually a 2-3 hit combo to death.

[Skeleton]

Originally posted by Spooky From Hell:

Utilize hyper armor better,
learn spacing,
use your longer range to your advantage.

This is how you use str weps in pve
(admittedly they are inferior to straight sword r1 spam that carries most people through the game)

I keep hearing the "inferior to R1, SS spam". Yet, I'm not sure you guys have builds using any of the UGS weapons right. Most builds centered around UGS, or even casually-built around said weapons' usage, can one-shot 3/4ths of the PvE enemies in the game. The rest get hard stun-locked (Silver Knights, Black Knights, Lothric Knights, Cathedral Knights, etc...).

Man, you guys are seriously doing something wrong. I can't believe I actually agree with Facu on this.

[Skeleton]

Originally posted by Shiosan:

Originally posted by UnbornCorpser:

Any fast weapon is vastly easier to spam and use on bosses/mobs. The problem for heavy slow weapons is some enemies just can't be staggered and this becomes highly dangerous past NG+4. Try using a great hammer even worse.

Not every enemy will flinch and some are extremely fast. Unless you spam constant backstabs.

I'm in NG+, that could be why. I can use GS UGS with no problem against most of mobs, but especially any fast bosses it is far too dangerous to risk of getting counter. It's usually a 2-3 hit combo to death.

I'm on NG+5 with my Miracle-Knight, and LUGS wrecks everything still. If it isn't a one-shot, it's a two-shot with added stun-locking to boot.

[TheMetalCorpser]

Originally posted by Shiosan:

I'm in NG+, that could be why. I can use GS UGS with no problem against most of mobs, but especially any fast bosses it is far too dangerous to risk of getting counter. It's usually a 2-3 hit combo to death.

Trying to hit a boss with a great hammer past NG+4 is torture but most bosses have 1 or 2 moves that will leave them open for a single hit with slow weapons. It just becomes tedious as all hell.

The final boss in the DLC I don't even bother using my slow weapons on her anymore. One mess up and I'm dead. NG+7 isn't too kind on mistakes.

[TheMetalCorpser]

Originally posted by Kawaii Fire Keeper:

I'm on NG+5 with my Miracle-Knight, and LUGS wrecks everything still. If it isn't a one-shot, it's a two-shot with added stun-locking to boot.

LUGS?

[.Stream]

greatswords are fun to play and they're good. The twin princes greatsword is very good for PvE as it has the fire damage and staggers most enemies... in PvP it has a lot of utility, but it's damage is lacking = 3=. Also, in general, one handing greatswords is better for PvE as you swing faster and wider, 2 handing is swings slower but you have hyperarmour.

[TheMetalCorpser]

Originally posted by Zerberius:

greatswords are fun to play and they're good. The twin princes greatsword is very good for PvE as it has the fire damage and staggers most enemies... in PvP it has a lot of utility, but it's damage is lacking = 3=. Also, in general, one handing greatswords is better for PvE as you swing faster and wider, 2 handing is swings slower but you have hyperarmour.

You should have hyper armor regardless of one-handing or two-handing when wielding heavy weapons.

[JuiceySpice]

Originally posted by Kawaii Fire Keeper:

Originally posted by Spooky From Hell:

Utilize hyper armor better,
learn spacing,
use your longer range to your advantage.

This is how you use str weps in pve
(admittedly they are inferior to straight sword r1 spam that carries most people through the game)

I keep hearing the "inferior to R1, SS spam". Yet, I'm not sure you guys have builds using any of the UGS weapons right. Most builds centered around UGS, or even casually-built around said weapons' usage, can one-shot 3/4ths of the PvE enemies in the game. The rest get hard stun-locked (Silver Knights, Black Knights, Lothric Knights, Cathedral Knights, etc...).

Man, you guys are seriously doing something wrong. I can't believe I actually agree with Facu on this.

There are pros to using ultras, but fast weapons, epecialy SS have

a much higher dps.

It is also much easier to get a hit in with faster swings

Because they have a faster swing speed and also lower recovery you are less likely to get punished

They also do more damage for the stamina is costs than an ultra

I listed the some of the pros of ultras in my other post

The pros that fast weapons have are especially important if your play alone, not having any summons to juggle aggro with or cover you while you heal ( and also not having a summon with end game gear playing at low sl)

I personally beat the game for the 1st time with a sorcerer before any buffs. After that I did a str build and noticed that was much easier. Then I did a quality build and used SS and found that they were best weapons for pve.

[Facu]

Originally posted by Kawaii Fire Keeper:

Originally posted by Spooky From Hell:

Utilize hyper armor better,
learn spacing,
use your longer range to your advantage.

This is how you use str weps in pve
(admittedly they are inferior to straight sword r1 spam that carries most people through the game)

I keep hearing the "inferior to R1, SS spam". Yet, I'm not sure you guys have builds using any of the UGS weapons right. Most builds centered around UGS, or even casually-built around said weapons' usage, can one-shot 3/4ths of the PvE enemies in the game. The rest get hard stun-locked (Silver Knights, Black Knights, Lothric Knights, Cathedral Knights, etc...).

Man, you guys are seriously doing something wrong. I can't believe I actually agree with Facu on this.

My ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ god, the end is here.

[Insane Scientist]

Ultra GreatSwords used to be my favourite class with Lorian's being my favourite weapon for my pyro build but they've fallen out of favor for me recently, yes, there are a lot of advantages to UGS weapons such as how you can cheese any human-sized enemy like the Abyss watchers or NPC invaders by spamming the 2 handed charge stab with the knockdown, they have great damage and crowd control capability, stun lock etc.

Very late game I started to have some difficulties with certain bosses using such a slow weapon though, particularly with the Twin Princes and some other fast bosses. Lorian has a kind of rhythm you have to dance to with a beat between his attacks where you have to time to give one of your own, I've found with an UGS the attack is so slow that even if I timed my attack right he will attack me again before I have time to recover from my attack animation. Similar difficulties with Soul of Cinder.

I've started using faster weapons and have been finding much more success with them in both PvE and PvP. I like greatswords a lot but ultra greatswords are just a tad too slow most of the time and I find the disadvantages outweigh the advantages. I still use Ultra Greatswords sometimes but it's situational for me now. My pyro build is now running Chaos Onikiri and Ubadachi as my main weapon which I am loving for the 1.5x damage modifier with the L1s on twin weapons and the massive DPS I can rack up quickly. Worth mentioning that Onyx Blade is my next favourite weapon on my pyro build. I love greatswords, just don't particularly like UGS anymore, especially in PvP.