Champion's gravetender is the worst damn boss in the entire series.

[juicy]

Why does it even exist.

[ImHelping]

Gonna have to disagree with the whole "Worst boss" thing, even if he did put his fist through my skull several times. He's certainly less wonky to me than some of the "So EZ" bosses that rub me the wrong way, at least.

As for the reason of his existence? He's an optional bonus boss, his existence in the long run matters about as much as the Nameless King. Not at all unless you want the bonus content from or past them.

Now, if THE CHAMP was a required boss to complete the game in any manner? I could understand them seeing much more out of place. I know I would loathe the nameless king's first phase being a requirement (the camera and such of that one always gives me a headache even when I don't get hit, second phase is where all the fun is).

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Worst boss? Did you forget about the Bed of Chaos?

[juicy]

Originally posted by ChattyRevolver®:

Worst boss? Did you forget about the Bed of Chaos?

Bed of chaos wasn't a gank boss. And the fact bed of chaos was actually important to the lore of the game. Gravetender though, means absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nothing to the lore at all.

[Tiny serpent Shnissuvihr]

It's there to represent the hollow arena, a bunch of rabid dogs and the eventual joker with no pants and a silly fashion.

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by Jooce:

Originally posted by ChattyRevolver®:

Worst boss? Did you forget about the Bed of Chaos?

Bed of chaos wasn't a gank boss. And the fact bed of chaos was actually important to the lore of the game. Gravetender though, means absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nothing to the lore at all.

Aaahahahahah..hah... hah... I mean, I still like DS1 and all but daaaaaaaaaamn.

It's happened. You've gone hollow.

[Xengre]

What is wrong with Gravetender? One of the easier bosses. Not very relevant to the lore perhaps but doesn't mean he can't be a boss. Think of him as a mini boss if anything.

[Artale]

Originally posted by Xengre:

What is wrong with Gravetender? One of the easier bosses. Not very relevant to the lore perhaps but doesn't mean he can't be a boss. Think of him as a mini boss if anything.

Exactly. What's the lore to the Stray Demon up above the Old Wolf? Or the Iron Dragonslayer Armour in Ringed City? They're sidebosses for some extra non lore-related bossfights.

[Danger Dwarf]

Originally posted by Jooce:

Originally posted by ChattyRevolver®:

Worst boss? Did you forget about the Bed of Chaos?

Bed of chaos wasn't a gank boss. And the fact bed of chaos was actually important to the lore of the game. Gravetender though, means absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nothing to the lore at all.

Yes it's totally not like bed of chaos had broken hitboxes and was so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ annoying they had to make it have checkpoints for it even if you died. I mean hell if you're talking about an annoying gank boss remember the ruin sentinels from DS2. You had to fight the first one in a tiny litle area and then fight two of them at once, and if you ever got knocked down or simply fell off while fighting the first one you then had to fight all 3.

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Originally posted by But nobody came...:

Originally posted by Jooce:

Bed of chaos wasn't a gank boss. And the fact bed of chaos was actually important to the lore of the game. Gravetender though, means absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nothing to the lore at all.

Yes it's totally not like bed of chaos had broken hitboxes and was so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ annoying they had to make it have checkpoints for it even if you died. I mean hell if you're talking about an annoying gank boss remember the ruin sentinels from DS2. You had to fight the first one in a tiny litle area and then fight two of them at once, and if you ever got knocked down or simply fell off while fighting the first one you then had to fight all 3.

Don't forget about Belfry Luna. That was one hell of a gank boss.

[ImHelping]

I will admit my stylistic preferences is always a bit sore at any boss or enemy stack that relies on the fact they are allowed to attack through eachother willy nilly. Stuff like Ruin Sentinels ends up less about "Skill" and more about "Okay, remember they fight like people using Cheatengine to PvP"

It's probably why Gravekeeper feels less of a jerk to me than the ensuing follow up past them. The amazing Black knights and their ultimate technique, BK Greatsword chestburster.

I will always fall for that sort of thing at least once when getting to any given area again. I should know better by now. But the whole contrast of how much of the games do live up to the "Hard but fair" claims, vs "Janky video game physics" is always a bit of a sticky mental shift to me.

So being a solo boss without much in the way of gimmicks, Gravekeeper kicking my ass several times until I eventually beat them isn't doing it in a way my personal tastes would roll their eyes at so much.

[RdRStar]

I've never understood the Gravekeeper hate. It's not a great boss, but it's not terrible imo.

[Pyramid Bread]

Originally posted by rarnick:

I've never understood the Gravekeeper hate. It's not a great boss, but it's not terrible imo.

It's a good boss. First part is like fighting an npc that you can parry and backstab etc. Then a giant, badass wolf shows up. It's like sif on steroids.

It's so far from the worst boss. Jabba the hutt is easily 100x worse

[ImHelping]

I will totally admit in hindsight, I thought the OP has been talking about the other champion of guarding graveyards, Gundyr. Who I've seen many simmilar comments about.

Then I got distracted by them calling Bed of Chaos a good boss, and here we are.

I can't offer more than armchair crituque about the DLC bosses just yet, as I'm dusting off the game for a slow replay as to finally get around to them.

I expect to have mixed feelings about it. As I love what the Gravekeeper dude himself represents boss design, but will probably would have liked it more without them just throwing adds into the mix. Harder to appretiate two individually cool bosses, when your biggest concern is them clipping through eachother, after all.

[Teiryn]

Quite a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ boss indeed, but not one of the worst ones in souls imo

[Artale]

I went in unprepared for what was coming, killed the boss on first try. Both on my Quality build and on a Faith build. Really not that hard.