Hidden body

[ChunkyMilk]

why did they nerf it so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard?

[Raigavin]

Invaders or phantoms no longer are permanently invisible, which is a good thing.

[Sir Fancybritches Fizzlebottom]

Originally posted by Reloaded:

I guess they nerfed it to balance out the ability to sneak past angels in TRC DLC

Can't you just keep recasting it with slumbering dragon ring on?

[Herbalacious]

Meh the nerf isn't that bad I still use it almost exactly the same as before the patch.

[Jaago]

Originally posted by Reloaded:

I guess they nerfed it to balance out the ability to sneak past angels in TRC DLC

People actually used that to get past them? Sounds like a dumb reason for nerf. Especially since they From nerfed angels too.

[nooblet]

Originally posted by Jaago:

Originally posted by Reloaded:

I guess they nerfed it to balance out the ability to sneak past angels in TRC DLC

People actually used that to get past them? Sounds like a dumb reason for nerf. Especially since they From nerfed angels too.

Hidden body doesn't work against the angels pre-nerf.

[Hannya]

They said it was because it previously made "entire areas bypassable", which is true in a sense

I think instead they should have nerfed the detection against NPCs/enemies instead of the whole spell overall, now it's much harder to sneak up on hosts or something because the spell is so loud to cast and doesn't last long either

[ChunkyMilk]

its stupid, you can still bypass whole areas, it just takes longer because you have to recast. but for normal purposes its a lot less usefull now

[ChunkyMilk]

and the angels didnt mind the spell they kicked your invisible ass no matter what

[Megakruemel[GER]]

I hate that you always have to commit to magic in this game. Even the Oolacile spells are no longer just for utility. You have to actively change your gear every time you use utility spells now, since duration is an utter joke.

Anyway- Combat magic has the same problem. You need to invest heavily into the int stat, which leaves you with nothing else left. Even the most potent spells don't hit for as much as a fully charged 2-handed attack, which comes out faster and is easier to hit.
If you want to make combat magic viable in PvP you have to throw on around 4 rings. If your opponent does 2 rolls in your direction you are already dead.
To add to the obvious downsides, like easy to dodge spells, cast-timing and whatnot you also get downtime just for being dependent on Estus.
I get that magic is not supposed to be OP but i hate that you have to absolutely commit to it, to make it viable.

[Myrmuz [IRL]]

Pretty much every area is bypassable. Haven't the developers ever watched a speedrun of their game?

[ChunkyMilk]

Originally posted by Myrmuz IRL:

Pretty much every area is bypassable. Haven't the developers ever watched a speedrun of their game?

yes and the nerf doesnt change anything about that, it just makes the fun uses of the spell and so on useless. this is complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, from just wants everyone to play paired ultra greatswords and splitleaf.

[Hunubul]

The spell actually got buffed: now TRC angels are also affected.

15 sec is more than enough, and you know, you can recast it. Also there is that ring that increases the duration. But recasting is more than enough. If you have only 10 attunement you can cast it like 6 times, which is more than enough to get to next bonfire or to the boss in any given area.

[RE-L124C41]

Originally posted by Reloaded:

I guess they nerfed it to balance out the ability to sneak past angels in TRC DLC

I maybe wrong but they also saw me with Hidden Body on?

[llink007]

Originally posted by Blame!:

Originally posted by Reloaded:

I guess they nerfed it to balance out the ability to sneak past angels in TRC DLC

I maybe wrong but they also saw me with Hidden Body on?

When the dlc was released hidden body did not work. It was changed in the last patch that angels cannot see you when hidden body is used.

[lev]

it was super annoying in the arena, so I'm glad they nerfed it.