Why is Champion Gundyr trying to kill us?

[Carve your fate]

Like when he is Iudex Gundyr he is infected and now tests new champions, but back then when he is a champion too why would he try to kill us. is he salty or anythng?

[Hanki]

Dont mess with Onion bro, he has the best helm in the entire game

[Doc Vivor]

Originalmente postado por Hank J.:

Originalmente postado por Harmonic Tempest Mamoru:

so gundyr was likly piecred by the bonfire sword BY YOU in the past and you are finishing him off there

I'm not sure how you are the one piercing him, as the sword you find in that firelink shrine is broken amd lore-wise you are a random unkindled who doesnt have a defined canonical weapon or anything

IMO it doesnt really makes sense, also I think the weird slimey dark snake is just controlling Gundyr's corpse, just look at how the dragons at Lothric castle die when you kill those things, also one of those dragons is kinda yellowish, wich may mean he was starting to rot

Also it's hard to know wich time are we exactly in I think it's before a cicle before ours
Probably the cicle where the guy who wears the soul of cinder set (who also appears in the intro cinematic) links the fire
So technically, he would have defeated Gundyr as well, as he is the first challenge the unkindled must face, that is the task Gundyr has

if gundyr is a undead he should respawn lorewise. However everybody with a name in this game refuses to respawn so thats unlikely too

[Carve your fate]

Originalmente postado por Vivor:

Originalmente postado por Hank J.:

I'm not sure how you are the one piercing him, as the sword you find in that firelink shrine is broken amd lore-wise you are a random unkindled who doesnt have a defined canonical weapon or anything

IMO it doesnt really makes sense, also I think the weird slimey dark snake is just controlling Gundyr's corpse, just look at how the dragons at Lothric castle die when you kill those things, also one of those dragons is kinda yellowish, wich may mean he was starting to rot

Also it's hard to know wich time are we exactly in I think it's before a cicle before ours
Probably the cicle where the guy who wears the soul of cinder set (who also appears in the intro cinematic) links the fire
So technically, he would have defeated Gundyr as well, as he is the first challenge the unkindled must face, that is the task Gundyr has

if yhorm is a undead he should respawn lorewise. However everybody with a name in this game refuses to respawn so thats unlikely too

gundyr is a champion of ash. Yhorm isnt, he is a lord of cinder

[Doc Vivor]

Originalmente postado por Senpou:

Originalmente postado por Vivor:

if yhorm is a undead he should respawn lorewise. However everybody with a name in this game refuses to respawn so thats unlikely too

gundyr is a champion of ash. Yhorm isnt, he is a lord of cinder

i ment that other giant with the halbert my bad and edited

[Thine Very Own, Nemesis~]

Originalmente postado por Hank J.:

Originalmente postado por Harmonic Tempest Mamoru:

so gundyr was likly piecred by the bonfire sword BY YOU in the past and you are finishing him off there

I'm not sure how you are the one piercing him, as the sword you find in that firelink shrine is broken amd lore-wise you are a random unkindled who doesnt have a defined canonical weapon or anything

IMO it doesnt really makes sense, also I think the weird slimey dark snake is just controlling Gundyr's corpse, just look at how the dragons at Lothric castle die when you kill those things, also one of those dragons is kinda yellowish, wich may mean he was starting to rot

Champion Gundyr is bonus content which means it can take place after the main game
after the main game you have access to both the soul of cinder armor as well as the bonfire sword

of course time is a tad convoluted and it could be another version of yourself who linked the flame and became one with the soul of cinder and every weapon soul of cinder uses is bonfire sword

[Carve your fate]

Originalmente postado por Vivor:

Originalmente postado por Senpou:

gundyr is a champion of ash. Yhorm isnt, he is a lord of cinder

i ment that other giant with the halbert my bad and edited

there is only iudex gundyr and champion gundyr who are teh same person iirc

[AlmightyDunkle]

Crystal Kriemhild peer pressured him into beating up the "new kid."

[Carve your fate]

Originalmente postado por AlmightyDunkle:

Crystal Kriemhild peer pressured him into beating up the "new kid."

lol

[Hanki]

"Gundyr, or the Belated Champion, was bested by an unknown warrior. He then became sheath to a coiled sword in the hopes that someday, the first flame would be linked once more."

From his set
So it's indeed the same Gundyr, not dead, just waiting for someone who links the fire
Wich makes me think if this "time travel" is not just a way to show us how the world was when SoC armor guy began his quest

The handmaid reaction to you kinda makes me doubt it, so basically it would mean you defeat him, he harakiris himself with the coiled sword, then SoC armor guy shows up, defeats him, Gundyr harakiris himself AGAIN, and then the guy links the fire, and we have to begin our quest, defesting Gundyr once more, wich would mean he does this again, unless the infection overcame him completely, meaning this time he dies for reals.

Also, the fact firelink Shrine is identical to ours kinda proves a theory I had about how each time a stronger vessel is needed to link the fire, but the time between one link and another shortens dramatically

In the ending where you link the fire, you are just covered in flames, sitting there, waiting for the next guy who will link the flame
In the ending where you link the fire in DS1 you burst into a INMENSE ball of fire, giving enough time for new kingdoms to appear before needing to link the fire once more

On the other hand in DS3 past firelink shrine is identical, and the SoC guy has to defeat Yhorm and the others to became a lord of cinder himself, then, almost inmediatly you have to do the same, probably this futile attempt to keep the flame linked makes them think it's better to just let it fade, so they flee to their homes, specially Aldritch who is 10000% ok with it

If you link the fire you will only get another guy who will eventually kill you linking the fire, then, there will be a time when it just fades, as it is impossible to keep the flame alive

But well, DS has always been kinda a pain in the ass to explain so...

[Washing Machine]

Originalmente postado por Hank J.:

In the ending where you link the fire, you are just covered in flames, sitting there, waiting for the next guy who will link the flame
In the ending where you link the fire in DS1 you burst into a INMENSE ball of fire, giving enough time for new kingdoms to appear before needing to link the fire once more

They were kinda new back then to this whole burning yourself stuff, I think the chosen undead went a little overboard at first. Like popping a champagne bottle and just spraying it everywhere wildly taking little mouthfuls out of it laughing, then you kinda figure "okay maybe we should be using glasses".

[Monte]

The Soul of Cinder Set isn't from one person, I believe; it is just the armour worn by the entity that is the combined form of every past Lord of Cinder; and to those saying that past Lords would have had to kill Yhorm, etc.
No. No they wouldn't. The Lords were brought back because no undead could manage to link the fire, and they were the last ditch effort, like the Unkindled.
The "SoC armour guy" would have had to fight tough foes, for sure, but they likely wouldn't have been the same ones we do in our playthrough. There is no evidence of any of the Lords being alive in the "past time", nor would it seem surprising or eventful that the Lords had been brought back, only to ♥♥♥♥ off again and sit there having a tantrum; you'd think people would learn from past attempts at bringing them back for that purpose.

Bit of lore here: The Unkindled are failed Lords of Cinder iirc; the SoC character in the trailer IS the SoC, and the guy he is burning is likely our own player character, as they died and failed to link the fire.

[A-Silly-Bun-Bun]

He is'nt trying to kill us, he just finished his judo classes and he wants to show off his sick moves, he just plays a little rough is all. Also you interrupt his nap so that makes him quite mad.

[Carve your fate]

Originalmente postado por Ectier:

He is'nt trying to kill us, he just finished his judo classes and he wants to show off his sick moves, he just plays a little rough is all. Also you interrupt his nap so that makes him quite mad.

lol