Those who use Black Separation Crystal...

[Sei Long]

- You wait hours to get summoned as a Darkmoon Blade
- The guy tries to fight you, he gets rekt, runs and use Black Separation Crystal.
-> You don't get any reward.

Please, is this community so toxic ? It's not even funny, it's not troll... It's just stupid.

Dammit !

[Parking]

I mean, is it just you killing him or is there an entourage behind you?

And they black crystal because when an invader dies, they drop all their souls where they died in your world. Sometimes it just isn't worth it.

[Aegis270]

Originally posted by Mr.Duckard:

Originally posted by Aegis27:

Invaders are used to having it all their own way. Hiding behind enemies, using cheese tactics, etc. The games have changed a bunch of things to make it more even like the seed and WoB, but invaders do not like that one bit. No sir. They signed up for fighting unprepared, unwilling targets, not people who also want to do PvP content. So they throw their toys out of the pram and BSC if they think that their target might pose even a mild threat to them. It's honestly quite sad.

This is someone that never once invaded: invaders are well prepared to fight 3 people at least, and that's on good days, you also get 4 guys in seeded worlds.

3 man r1 gank, never moving from the bondifire.
Against 3 players no mob survives more than 1 second.

I invade with 3 objectives: cosplay a Black Knight playing like a miniboss, or get a blue kill, or invade as purple (also know as easy mode) and kill the first 1-2 phantoms I can.

The change in the new patch make it a little better for invader, and blues too so I don't get those "invader salt" comment.

It's going to be salty hosts that can't summon gank squads anymore.

Originally posted by GrayHound:

Originally posted by Aegis27:

Invaders are used to having it all their own way. Hiding behind enemies, using cheese tactics, etc. The games have changed a bunch of things to make it more even like the seed and WoB, but invaders do not like that one bit. No sir. They signed up for fighting unprepared, unwilling targets, not people who also want to do PvP content. So they throw their toys out of the pram and BSC if they think that their target might pose even a mild threat to them. It's honestly quite sad.

I'm a professional invader (tongues maxed, about 200 forked) and you are really ridiculous. We just have less than 1/2 HP the host has (unless you can oneshot but you usually can't), 80% the invader is against the host and two phantoms (and 10% against three phantoms), most of the time the phantoms get resummoned endlessly (I once took down 6 phantoms in one invasion) and if you manage to corner someone, it's not rare when they disconnect or sprint to the boss fog.

You have to be significantly better than the host to win so your complaining about the bad, scary invaders is really pathetic. As for the BSC, if the blue fights me alone then it's fine but if he ganks then it's an instant BSC.

Hey geniuses? You ever stop to realise that maybe the people you are invading DON'T WANT TO BE INVADED? This game is, at it's heart, a PvE game with additional PvP content. Most people play it like that. I'm a certified SunBro, and I have never been summoned just to sit around and wait for an invader. Most likely, it's a dude and friends just trying to play through the level when you invade. You're crashing a party you weren't invited to and complaining when you get thrown out by 3 people. If they're new players, of course they're going to freak out, camp the bonfire and use seeds and summons. They're panicking because on top of all the other game challenges, there's now an enemy play skulking around fishing for an opening to gank the host.

You want fair PvP content, where everyone is on even footing? There's an item for that. Red Sign Soapstone. Or do Undead Matches. Hell, you can even get an advantage and become a Spear of the Church. If you choose to ignore all of that, and use the item that means you invade an unwilling, unprepared and most likely uncooperative host player, you cannot possibly expect him to play by any code of ethics you came up with.

[Jonek121]

Originally posted by Aegis27:

Originally posted by Mr.Duckard:

This is someone that never once invaded: invaders are well prepared to fight 3 people at least, and that's on good days, you also get 4 guys in seeded worlds.

3 man r1 gank, never moving from the bondifire.
Against 3 players no mob survives more than 1 second.

I invade with 3 objectives: cosplay a Black Knight playing like a miniboss, or get a blue kill, or invade as purple (also know as easy mode) and kill the first 1-2 phantoms I can.

The change in the new patch make it a little better for invader, and blues too so I don't get those "invader salt" comment.

It's going to be salty hosts that can't summon gank squads anymore.

Originally posted by GrayHound:

I'm a professional invader (tongues maxed, about 200 forked) and you are really ridiculous. We just have less than 1/2 HP the host has (unless you can oneshot but you usually can't), 80% the invader is against the host and two phantoms (and 10% against three phantoms), most of the time the phantoms get resummoned endlessly (I once took down 6 phantoms in one invasion) and if you manage to corner someone, it's not rare when they disconnect or sprint to the boss fog.

You have to be significantly better than the host to win so your complaining about the bad, scary invaders is really pathetic. As for the BSC, if the blue fights me alone then it's fine but if he ganks then it's an instant BSC.

Hey geniuses? You ever stop to realise that maybe the people you are invading DON'T WANT TO BE INVADED? This game is, at it's heart, a PvE game with additional PvP content. Most people play it like that. I'm a certified SunBro, and I have never been summoned just to sit around and wait for an invader. Most likely, it's a dude and friends just trying to play through the level when you invade. You're crashing a party you weren't invited to and complaining when you get thrown out by 3 people. If they're new players, of course they're going to freak out, camp the bonfire and use seeds and summons. They're panicking because on top of all the other game challenges, there's now an enemy play skulking around fishing for an opening to gank the host.

You want fair PvP content, where everyone is on even footing? There's an item for that. Red Sign Soapstone. Or do Undead Matches. Hell, you can even get an advantage and become a Spear of the Church. If you choose to ignore all of that, and use the item that means you invade an unwilling, unprepared and most likely uncooperative host player, you cannot possibly expect him to play by any code of ethics you came up with.

Invasions are meant to punish the host for using an ember which is like 25%-30% more health. Dont want to be invaded ? Dont ember untill you are in the boss arena, enough said.

[Hunubul]

Originally posted by Deverti:

i pretty much got the WoB on all the time, so the poor unemployed police gets a few jobs done (@poni: and i send them home if i dont like em, lol)

Oh I do the same. But I got sent back instantly, not even a second tought. They didn't even know if they liked me or not.

I wear the way of blue too, but sadly invaders die too quickly. They find me real fast, and I kill them too fast, by the time darkmoon is summoned invasion is over for like 10 seconds.

[Slamadam]

10/10 porting out of every seeded world, no matter how many darkmoons are trying to get done with that stupid covenant.

[Hunubul]

Originally posted by Vinyltavia:

My personal favorite way with toying with people at lower levels.
Get 30 concords.
Invade.
Proceed to kill host.
Whatsthis.giff
Blue invades.
Wave.
Buff with darkmoon blade.
1. Kill them with their own miracle.
2. Black crystal out cuz you AIN'T NEVAH GONNA GET IT.

BTW ♥♥♥♥ you.

[Jonek121]

All you do is go pontiff without killing Aldrich, use dried finger, equip WoB, use white branch, hide , go afk and have bluebros fight the invaders.

[Hunubul]

Originally posted by Jonek121 | Gulag Express:

All you do is go pontiff without killing Aldrich, use dried finger, equip WoB, use white branch, hide , go afk and have bluebros fight the invaders.

Yeah I might do that every once in a while, but I'll wait for new patch so it has more effect. Especially because for me it doesn't work perfect (at least watchdogs covenant isn't working for me), so I'll give the best chance possible for blues.

[GrayHound]

Originally posted by Aegis27:

Hey geniuses? You ever stop to realise that maybe the people you are invading DON'T WANT TO BE INVADED? This game is, at it's heart, a PvE game with additional PvP content. Most people play it like that. I'm a certified SunBro, and I have never been summoned just to sit around and wait for an invader. Most likely, it's a dude and friends just trying to play through the level when you invade. You're crashing a party you weren't invited to and complaining when you get thrown out by 3 people. If they're new players, of course they're going to freak out, camp the bonfire and use seeds and summons. They're panicking because on top of all the other game challenges, there's now an enemy play skulking around fishing for an opening to gank the host.

You want fair PvP content, where everyone is on even footing? There's an item for that. Red Sign Soapstone. Or do Undead Matches. Hell, you can even get an advantage and become a Spear of the Church. If you choose to ignore all of that, and use the item that means you invade an unwilling, unprepared and most likely uncooperative host player, you cannot possibly expect him to play by any code of ethics you came up with.

If you don't want to experience multiplayer then play offline. If you really need to use summons to cheese the game but can't stand to get invaded then that simply means that you dislike the game design, so maybe you should go play a different game.

Btw I never said there's anything wrong with people pooping their pants at a bonfire and playing the summoner class. It's what the game allows (until the next patch) so it's fine. I was just reacting to your BS about invaders being "sad" for using mobs, cheese and BSC.

[BadMedium]

You're just throwing the word toxic around. That's not toxic.

[Nightmare]

Yep , this bs needs a buff (make all darkmoons be able to summon each other or something) , getting summoned every 40 mins 1 hour

[Mandrake109]

Originally posted by Senjin:

With 477 luck, I killed enough Silver Knights to get 250 000 souls. I get 6500 souls for 3 silver knights, so I killed around 350 Silver Knights and I didn't get any proof.. xD

Welcome to the grind.

[[DOLT]Braidedheadman]

Originally posted by mmmaniek1155:

get a real covenant

Says every salty redbro ever who's mad that his invasion to spoil the game for his host got spoiled by a counter-invading bluebro. Git gud or put away the orb, scrub.

[[DOLT]Braidedheadman]

Originally posted by Aegis27:

Invaders are used to having it all their own way. Hiding behind enemies, using cheese tactics, etc. The games have changed a bunch of things to make it more even like the seed and WoB, but invaders do not like that one bit. No sir. They signed up for fighting unprepared, unwilling targets, not people who also want to do PvP content. So they throw their toys out of the pram and BSC if they think that their target might pose even a mild threat to them. It's honestly quite sad.

Let me share with you and everyone this story:

I was sunbroing for Midir hopefuls at the Ringed City Streets bonfire this weekend. Naturally, I'm embered up from having whipped Midir's ass and helped some hosts get past this encounter when, suddenly, a wild Redbro appears!

Now, I'm no ♥♥♥♥♥, I don't need any white/goldbros to help me! So, I wait patiently for this guy to show up for some honorabru kohmbat at the bonfire. I mean, I've already cleared the level except for taking out the Judicator (because I enjoy getting invaded and soloing invaderbros... I solo everything, yo). I have no reason to play this dude's game and run into the swarm of hollows, turtle monks, ringed knights, and corrupted heralds that he's do doubt busy hiding behind. Besides, this is my world he's invading, not summoned duel, so he's gonna have to play by my rules if he wants to play at all. Right?

So I wait. Five or more minutes pass, I don't know, frankly. I finally hear cautious foot steps approaching and see him poke his head through the door into the room, looking around. I face him, give the usual duel emotes and equipment wiggle memes and he responds in kind. So it's on, right?

Nah.

I whip him to within single digits of the end of his health bar and he panic roles out and chugs estus. I give him a "Welcome" gesture. Costs me a free hit from him. No problem, I smack him down again. More panic roles, chugs, and is how hiding around a corner and down a hallway, behind some piss-ant little hollows, wiggling his equipment at me. I give the beckon gesture, "I'm not stupid, I'm not playing your game by your rules. You're in MY world, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥!"

I stand my ground, more minutes pass and he disappears down the hallway. I go sit by the fire and give him a Giant Seed. He's won't be going down that hallway very far!

I hear footsteps again and catch just a glimpse of him materializing behind me, evidently trying to sneak around a corner whilst wearing the Obscuring Ring. I play dumb, just to see what the coward will do, but he doesn't approach any closer. But I caught enough of a glimpse of him to know where he's headed: down the hallway to a dead-end balcony where players may encounter an NPC named Lapp. He must think I'm new here...

I wanna see if he's ever going to man up, so I hold my vigil at the bonfire. Even more minutes pass, I don't know how many, still without a peep from our friendly redbro. I get up and slow-walk down the hall toward where I know he's hiding, behind the corner of a door. Redbro goes, "LOL I AMBUSH YOUUUUUUUUU!!!" .... Except his attack was ridiculously early, swinging wild and far afield. Slow walks confuse you a little there, bro? Toss some bombs in after him to encourage him to come on out of there. I hear him chugging estus. Again.

Sigh...

I decide I'll play his game, just this once, see what happens. I'll probably catch some hell, but I bumrush the door with open abandon. Yep! I get tagged twice! Still not dead yet, but close; I'm rolling, I'm dodging, I'm back out in the hallway --- and he STILL won't come out of there!

♥♥♥♥ it. I chug my first estus. And return to the bonfire. I was that kid who was always poking the campfire with loose sticks. Old habits and all that, you know how it is.

More minutes later and my Redbro is still hiding. Aight, let's see if he'll follow me this time? I head down the lift toward the Judicator boss room where a Ringed Knight with the dual UGS stands guard, waiting for passersby to wreck.

No sign that my redbro wants to follow. Is he really that afraid of me, that he won't take me on even with a badass like that to hide behind? What's his game anyway?

Oh, wait... No, I remember now, I used a seed on him earlier to try and force him to come to the bonfire. That's when he was sneaking about with the obscuring ring. FML!

Growing bored, but still wanting to see where this is all going anyway, I head down the long ladder to the waiting room before the Midir optional boss fight. It's a very defensible little room and, should he decide to finally go head up, he won't have anywhere to escape to.

So, I set up camp, turn on my secondary monitor and put on some Netflix. I heard my redbro operating the lift and I could hear his footsteps just above the ladder, but evidently he still lacked the balls to climb down and face me 1v1. I heard his footsteps beating a soft retreat.

Sigh... I'll just watch some more Netflix, I guess.

At least 20 minutes pass. -Twenty- god loving minutes pass!

"WTF! Enough of this, bro!" I say to myself.

I summon a gank squad because now I'm pissed and that's how we're gonna role. He has most certainly earned himself this retribution through his blatant cowardice, amirite? Death to cowards!

lol, Suddenly a purplebro who apparently had invaded my world when I had not noticed black crystals out. That was unexpected, but whatever! Redbro doesn't BC out, maybe he's AFK too? I send my gank squad home with thanks, deciding I'll go explore a bit, kill some mobs and see if I can't turn this little ♥♥♥♥♥ up.

Nothing. Not a hair on his yellow hide could I find.

I return to the bonfire to sniff around. Still nothing.

Gods, it's been, like, 30 minutes or more since I last saw the little ♥♥♥♥♥. I've given this ♥♥♥♥♥ every possible opportunity to drop a pair and man the ♥♥♥♥ up. But it ain't gonna happen. Ever.

♥♥♥♥ it. You want the ember that badly, bro. Is that what this ♥♥♥♥ is all about? You want the ember bro?? TAKE IT AND GTFO!!

I throw my self off a cliff and die.

End of story.

The moral of this story? Sometimes I wish redbros actually would use their black crystal to GTFO more often. Better to wish a fleeing coward best of luck in the future than to have a craven coward waste your time.

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TL;DR VERSION
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A redbro invades my world while I'm waiting at the Ringed City Streets bonfire to sunbro for people trying to kill Midir, but doesn't engage me directly for several minutes at first. I giant tree seed his ass, which forces him to come to me where I whip him cleanly several times, bringing him near death, alone and on my own without any summoned help of any kind, despite him panic rolling chugging multiple estus. The ♥♥♥♥♥ runs off scared and hides for the next 30-40 minutes. I end up throwing myself off a cliff just to be rid of his sorry ass.

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To the redbro responsible for this story, all I can say is, "Git gud, scrub. You could have farmed dozens of embers in the time it took for you to "earn" the one I gave you just to get you the ♥♥♥♥ out of my world."

[Lapland]

Originally posted by DOLTBraidedheadman:

salt

Did not know I was at the Dead Sea right now.