Prisoner's Chain (ring) why people dont use it ?

[streom]

I see alot of people NOT using this ring. It gives +5 Vig +5 End +5 Vit and -10% defence
Do you guys even understand that this ring gives you 15 levels, for 10% damage taken.
You can for example get vig stat to 22 / End to 35
and the ring will give u a soft cap of stats

27 vigor
40 endurance

and the free 15 points you can spend on something more valuable like STR or AGI or anything else.

[Zesc]

Welp, mostly because there are rings which do all of that too, without the side effect of taking more damage. In reality, most qualiyt builds have a Ring of Favor, a Chloranity Ring and a Life Ring (in best case in +X versions). Why have to eat more DMG when at meta stats your not profiting much of it anyway? Only people which can efficently use this ring are SL1ers and twinks.

[streom]

Originally posted by Zesc7:

Welp, mostly because there are rings which do all of that too, without the side effect of taking more damage. In reality, most qualiyt builds have a Ring of Favor, a Chloranity Ring and a Life Ring (in best case in +X versions). Why have to eat more DMG when at meta stats your not profiting much of it anyway? Only people which can efficently use this ring are SL1ers and twinks.

The only possible ring that can compete with Prisoner Chain is Havels ring in my opinion.
We are not talking about specific builds, just global.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=894638787

Like these 3 rings are the strongest in the game.
Stam Regen ring
invinsibility frames to 0.5 sec ring
and obviously the free stats ring

As for ring (4) i can only see Chain or Havel

[Sugmar]

Originally posted by InitiationTime:

I see alot of people NOT using this ring. It gives +5 Vig +5 End +5 Vit and -10% defence
Do you guys even understand that this ring gives you 15 levels, for 10% damage taken.
You can for example get vig stat to 22 / End to 35
and the ring will give u a soft cap of stats

27 vigor
40 endurance

and the free 15 points you can spend on something more valuable like STR or AGI or anything else.

Personally i love it. The extra points do help on some builds and the extra damage taken is laughable at best.

[Zesc]

I didn't said it is bad. I just said why few people use it. Due random meta-PvP-crap nobody really understands.
Still, there is no Prisoner's Chain+1 or +2, right?

[newbie]

Ppl who do low level pvp use it

[wollem]

Rather have a slot for other useful rings. Especially with the ring of favor+3 I just dont find it useful at sl120.

[Shard of Manus]

There are no 'strongest' rings in the game.

Personally, I find the absolutely most useful ring is Lloyd's Sword Ring; but that's because I tend not to get hit, which means it shortens any battle. Chloranthy is a universal ring. Other than that, it entirely depends on the build and the area.

Prisoner's Chain I NEVER equip though, because I consider it a completely wasted ring slot.

[Shard of Manus]

Originally posted by InitiationTime:

Originally posted by Shard of Manus:

There are no 'strongest' rings in the game.

Personally, I find the absolutely most useful ring is Lloyd's Sword Ring; but that's because I tend not to get hit, which means it shortens any battle. Chloranthy is a universal ring. Other than that, it entirely depends on the build and the area.

Prisoner's Chain I NEVER equip though, because I consider it a completely wasted ring slot.

its a good thing that most people have low IQ or just lack of understanding how stats and rings work, so they dont use this ring :D
For example, if you build everything correct, this ring is a +15 STR but 10% more damage taken. is it worth it ? ofc, its one of the best rings.
And only really late into the game, when your soft caps for example of agi and str are 40/40
these 15 stats go to something like weight, or int/faith which is not that valuable.

So from like SL1 to SL125 this ring is amazing.

No it isn't. You can easily get all necessary stats at SL120, and have spares to pop into Vigor, Endurance or Vitality.

All the Prisoner's Chain is doing is causing you to take increased damage... for some stamina and equip load. It's not worth it at all. It's not free levels, because 5 levels of Endurance and Vitality is barely anything. It doesn't make enough difference to warrant the absorption decrease, and you'd be better off keeping those "spare" 15 in Strength or Dexterity anyway, and ignoring the meagre boost to Stamina and Equip Load that this ring offers.

[larry]

Probably because it isn't really viable on NG+5 and so on because chances are you could get instakilled by a mere Lothric knight in the high wall.

[AH-1 Cobra]

Prisoner's chain is good for low level min-maxed builds, but at SL 120+ it just doesn't have much use.

If you're SL 120, using that ring, and only have 27 VIG, you're gonna lose bigly to a decent player running a Meta PVP build, each and every single time. I run 40-50 VIG on all my PVP builds, and use Ring of Favor +2 and Life Ring +3 on top of that. So somewhere in the ballpark of 1800-1950 HP when embered up. As soon as I find out you're in the 27 VIG scrub club, I'm going to turn the match into a sloppy slugfest and trade hits with you until you're dead. Every time. You will lose every time.

[Kurikinton Fox]

People still debate this? The ring is meh and if you wear it, I will thank you, since it makes you an even easier kill for me.

[AH-1 Cobra]

The ring is only worth it at PVP levels under about SL 80 or so. I got a SL 50 PVP build (+4 weapons) that uses the ring. The extra points is more useful at lower level ranges, because it's a bigger % stat boost the lower level you are, and the increased damage taken penalty isn't as bad at lower weapon upgrade levels.

[Zesc]

Originally posted by InitiationTime:

Originally posted by Shard of Manus:

No it isn't. You can easily get all necessary stats at SL120, and have spares to pop into Vigor, Endurance or Vitality.

All the Prisoner's Chain is doing is causing you to take increased damage... for some stamina and equip load. It's not worth it at all. It's not free levels, because 5 levels of Endurance and Vitality is barely anything. It doesn't make enough difference to warrant the absorption decrease, and you'd be better off keeping those "spare" 15 in Strength or Dexterity anyway, and ignoring the meagre boost to Stamina and Equip Load that this ring offers.

You do understand what 10% is ?
You have 1000-1500 hp, enemy hits you for 300, with this ring you will get 30 more damage
Are you trying to look stupid, or actually ?
30 damage, for 15 free levels.
15 levels, could cost like 2 million souls. This ring could be sold in town for 1.5 milion souls, and it would be worth it.

I think you are the one trying to look stupid. 10% is a friggin high value. Do you count to those people which never played a RTS? 10% more defense at the other hand, like provided by teh Ring of Steal protection (even if only physical) is extremly strong at the other hand.
I think you count to those people which say at pokémon: "Pah, 1/16th DMG per round is nothing." about poison to get their competetive team rekt by it.

[RdRStar]

There's really no point in debating this. If you the ring is great, that's great. Maybe it works well for you.

[Shard of Manus]

Originally posted by InitiationTime:

Originally posted by Shard of Manus:

No it isn't. You can easily get all necessary stats at SL120, and have spares to pop into Vigor, Endurance or Vitality.

All the Prisoner's Chain is doing is causing you to take increased damage... for some stamina and equip load. It's not worth it at all. It's not free levels, because 5 levels of Endurance and Vitality is barely anything. It doesn't make enough difference to warrant the absorption decrease, and you'd be better off keeping those "spare" 15 in Strength or Dexterity anyway, and ignoring the meagre boost to Stamina and Equip Load that this ring offers.

You do understand what 10% is ?
You have 1000-1500 hp, enemy hits you for 300, with this ring you will get 30 more damage
Are you trying to look stupid, or actually ?
30 damage, for 15 free levels.
15 levels, could cost like 2 million souls. This ring could be sold in town for 1.5 milion souls, and it would be worth it.

Enough with the insults.

300 is a Straight Sword R1. You take any Great or Ultra weapon, then multiply the damage of an R1 by two, and you're dead in 3 hits and for what? Some stamina.

The Vigor is negligible. The Stamina is negligible. The Equip Load increase is negligible. It's not just about the increase in damage, it's the fact that the ring barely does a damn thing.

At SL25, with only 12 Vitality and 10 Endurance... practicaly starting values where increases make the MOST difference (SL125 will have a vastly lower difference)...

+9 Stamina
+6.5 Equip Load

At 30 Vigor, + 99 HP.

It is a completely wasted slot.