Cathedral Knight Set vs. Lothric Knight Set

[Oedipus's Stepdad]

Both seem to offer around the same protection; the CK set have more poise. However the CK set also is heavier than the LK set by a lot. Which one do you guys think is better?

[Yal]

LK. Poise is more or less binary (either you have it or you don't) - that's why people complain about it being broken, btw - so getting more poise with more weight as a drawback means you basically just waste weight, which reduces your stamina recovery speed.

Also, defences are apparently rounded to certain thresholds, so micromanaging equipment to max out defenses doesn't make a difference in most cases (unless the extra percent makes you get above a threshold... but that's too much maths for me so I don't care about that and just go for looks).

[devSin]

Cathedral knight, obviously (and you wouldn't wear all of it anyway).

There is no fashion in the Lothric set. It gives you the torso of a small child, and the neck of a buffalo.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Yal:

Poise is more or less binary (either you have it or you don't)

That hasn't been true since the last major patch.

Poise is heavily influenced by armor, and you want to stack as much of it as you can if you're using an applicable weapon.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Yal:

Also, defences are apparently rounded to certain thresholds

Absorption is a straight percentage reduction to incoming damage.

But it's applied multiplicatively, not additively (you can't just add up all the pieces for the actual %).

[Merilirem]

Id wait for the patch to launch on the 24th before i decided. It changes alot.

[Uottafac]

Tomorrow all heavy armors will recieve a weight decrease(+ defense buff). Let's wait until it drops.

[Finn ™]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Yal:

LK. Poise is more or less binary (either you have it or you don't) - that's why people complain about it being broken, btw - so getting more poise with more weight as a drawback means you basically just waste weight, which reduces your stamina recovery speed.

Also, defences are apparently rounded to certain thresholds, so micromanaging equipment to max out defenses doesn't make a difference in most cases (unless the extra percent makes you get above a threshold... but that's too much maths for me so I don't care about that and just go for looks).

stamina recovery is reduced the more weight I have, this is really it?

[Hunubul]

The most important thing here is Fashion Souls. Basically chose what you think looks best if it offers enough poise and defense you require (and isn't too heavy).

For some weapon, like the warpick and Heyzel's pick you need as much poise as you can get (it's still not as important as looks, noone is more important), because they are built on trading hits. If you get stunned then you can't trade hits. If you can't trade hits with these weapons you lost.

Set your priorities straight. Then figure out what you want. Then you can chose.

[Artek [General]]

I believe cathredral knight is much heavier than lothric. Slightly more damage reduction and poise, but it means you need more vitality which means less stats for dex or strength, which means either dealing less damage than usual or limiting yourself to strength only weapons, which there are not that many.

Lothric straight is basically a heavy classic knight. Fairly high damage absorption and poise, but not too much and not that much weight.
Also: fashion is good. That cape boy!

[devSin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sir Noble:

I'm not too sure poise matters still. The halberds 2 handed R2 has some poise as 20 poise (knight set) I can go through spears and straight swords and similar weapons but even at over 34 poise I can't go through any additional hits or anything heavier so, for me at least, poise is pointless. Also on all weapon arts I've ever used I can go through a great axe swing with like 5 poise

Halberds have the weakest poise of all the hyper armor weapons (poise from armor is absorption, which reduces incoming poise damage, but all weapons have their own poise break values that control hyper armor durability).

Some weapon skills have innate poise, and they also all have a 1.0 base modifier (normal attacks only have 0.8).

[Bourbon Kid]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von |B4ST4RDS| Finn ™:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Yal:

LK. Poise is more or less binary (either you have it or you don't) - that's why people complain about it being broken, btw - so getting more poise with more weight as a drawback means you basically just waste weight, which reduces your stamina recovery speed.

Also, defences are apparently rounded to certain thresholds, so micromanaging equipment to max out defenses doesn't make a difference in most cases (unless the extra percent makes you get above a threshold... but that's too much maths for me so I don't care about that and just go for looks).

stamina recovery is reduced the more weight I have, this is really it?

Yes, but only if you are over 70% equip burden.
Stamina recovery is not any different between 0-70%. DS2 had the mechanic of highr reg with lesser %equipload

[Merilirem]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bourbon Kid:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von |B4ST4RDS| Finn ™:

stamina recovery is reduced the more weight I have, this is really it?

Yes, but only if you are over 70% equip burden.
Stamina recovery is not any different between 0-70%. DS2 had the mechanic of highr reg with lesser %equipload

They should bring that back and buff heavy more, unless they already overbuffed it in the next patch of course.

Buffs also do not always mean straight statistical increases so be openminded.