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Yet, what happened to the other guys there? (Especially the gravetenders?) And shouldn't the shrinemaiden remember me? Also, Ludleth refered to the Firekeeper's Eyes that "they" have hidden them far away... 2 meters away is not really that far.
"Found her, did we? And the black eyes that shimmer within, I see? Tis as if it were but yesterday. We did all we could to spare her from them. Much has happened since. Mayhap I should apprise thee... Of what the thin light of these eyes might reveal to the eyeless Firekeeper. Scenes of betrayal, things never intended for her ken, visions of... this age's end..."
nothing about hiding them far away
The maiden has a different dialogue if you speak to her for the first time in the Untend Graves.
But if the Untend Graves are really just a travel in the past, there are still many questions open, like: wtf should i take the coiled sword fragment with me then? How should the Firelink bonfire then ever be ingnited? Why's there a Chaosblade lying around? Where's André? etc.
And if the visions are really of "this age's end", it would necessarily mean the Untend Graves are the alternative version of what happens without fire (in other words, if Gundyr screws up).
I know the lame excuse "time is convoluted" and such, but there was never and sort of time travel like this involved into Dark Souls lore, was it? (Yeah, talking to Vendrick in DS2 for example, but that was more some sort of pre-recorded hallucination-memo...)
I don't get what you are saying about the coiled sword and igniting the bonefire. Sorry
About the chaosblade this could just be fanservice. In ds1 you make the chaosblade out of Quelaag's soul. Well Ascend a +10 katana with her soul. So this can be a nod to the chosed undead from ds1. As he went to the Kiln and left this behind. Or some other undead might left it here after he found it. But the sword was created by us in ds1.
Plus remember the Firelink Shrine in ds1 was conected to the Kiln but still in the "real" world, the one in DS3 is in my opinion not in the real world anymore. Like it has shifted "outside" just like the Kiln. Notice you don't see the dark sign eclipse when you are in the shrine.
And don't mix up extinguishing the fire with not reigniting it. In ds1 we have two options: reignite it or leave it. Both options are canon. If you don't ignite the fire to burn you bring the age of the dark, but another undead will come along and he or she will do it. You can't put it out completly and break the circle in ds1.
Gundyr did just that, fail to reignite it and the Firelink Shrine beeing dark reflect that. Then another undead came and reignited it again. Just like in ds1.
In DS1 you are told to reach the Kiln, in DS3 you wake up "near it". Hell you even see the lord vessel. Because in DS3 unkindled ash are the chosen undead that tried to reignite the fire and failed lacking the will or strenght to do so. And The Cemetary of Ash is a graveyard for lords of fire and unkindled ons. IMO There are no Grave Warden in the Untended Graves because there is no need for them. Just like Iudex Gundyr they are presetn to sort out the weak unkindled.
Up till this point things have gone as usual: Undead came to reignite the fire, some didn't do it biring the age of darknes, some did bringing the age of fire back, some failed becoming ash. But at some point they stoped comming. Lothric rebeld against his duty, the Lords of Fire left. In a desperate act the unkindled had to be resurected to gather the power of the lords and start the fire.
This a side note but notice how every missing Lords has one unkindled or undead conected to them.
Abyss Watchers - Hawkwood Unkindled
Aldrich, Devourer of Gods - Anri of Astora Undead
Yhorm the Giant - Siegward of Catarina Undead
Lothric, Younger Prince - Us the player Unkindled
Oh and about the time travel, nop never been done before:P Like we didn't travel to the past in DS1 dlc to stop the abyss and kill Manus and Artorias. If you fight Sif after the dlc he will recognize you from the past and howl in sadness that he has to fight you.
As you already pointed out, the shrine is kinda in another dimension, or something like that. So the question is: how did the Black Knights got there? Apparently that place can only be reached by cursed and ashen ones (and Crystal Lizards), so how does it come that you encounter not just one, but an entire gank squad of them there?
Btw, there are two Gravetenders in the Untend Graves, you know, those cancer guys from the Cathedral of the Deep.
Didn't knew that it was actual timetravel. O_o I thought that was like in the Crown of the Old Iron King DLC some sort of "view throught the eyes of a past hero", not actual time travel. Then, i said nothing.
Like I said in ds1 the Black Knights are in the Kiln area and in the game world. So they had cross the barier to come out after they had been burned buy Gwyn igniting the fire. In ds3 the shrine is still conected to the Kiln so I imagine the last knights just left at some point just like in ds1.
Cathedral grave wardens are there to make sure undead stay dead. as at that time ther is no need for any failed undead to rise from the ground.
"The grave wardens of the cathedral, who put down reincarnating corpses, wield weapons that cause profuse bleeding, for the loss of blood and bodily fluids is said to slow reanimation. "
"Grave wardens were tasked with disposing of the ever rising corpses that plagued the cathedral. Their clothes are utterly putrid, drenched in the blood and mucilage of their undertaking."
In short most of the time just scream: "Miyazaki why u do dis? Why are you doing this!?!"
For one we don't know how long the fire has not been rekindeled when you get there. The cemetary of ash is a place where those that failed to reiginte the fire ley in rest. Non of the undead there has the strenght to do this, even we the player need the power of the lords.
The wardens are just undead tasked with one thing nothing else.
And like I said at this point in time the circle still continues. So the world waits for a new chosen undead to come to the shrine enter the Kiln and ignite the fire.
You don't see them at the start of the game because then the failed undead are needed to rise and there are no wardens to kill them.
1. their armors were burnt black
2. when Gwyn came back to Anor Londo, the city was empty
The first point doesn't imply the knights were defeated, only that their armors were burned while they fought in essentially hell. However, it is evident that didn't kill the knights, nor did it hinder them from fighting.
Anor Londo being deserted isn't proof either, since we know that right after the demon war, gwyn linked the fire. The gods didn't leave because of Izalith, but because the Age of Fire was ending, and with it the age of the gods. That's why they were accumulating and hiding wealth which had no value in Lordran, but did outside in the human kingdoms
And while there is no proof of the demons winning, but there is of Gwyn winning: the batdemons are so loyal they serve Anor Londo for centuries after Gwyn's death, and even in DS 3, they still serve Gwynevere (queen of Lothric).
And in her cut dialog Queelag mentions a pact that forced her and her sister to flee Izalithsince the only interaction of Izalith with another kingdom we know of is the demon/gods war, it's likely that pact was what marked the end of the conflict. You could argue that dialogue isn't canon, and it isn't technically, but Miyazaki stated in the design works interview the reason it wasn't included was that Queelag speaking to you didn't fit her aura, not because of lore reasons.
So, a group of demons swore loyalty to Gwyn (and even received his lightning) and 2 of the daughters of chaos, the only two who had actually transformed into powerful demons (without counting the other 2 who transformed into part of the Bed of Chaos), had to be exiled from Izalith
And that treaty/pact was completely onesided, since the only thing Gwyn had to do after signing it (that we know of at least) was leaving Izalith