Throwing firebombs in a duel...

[76561198371547825]

Is just as cheap as chugging. You want to throw bombs? I'll just chug away.

[Raidden]

Originally posted by Aedd Gynvael:

Well, I don't see how it's as cheap as chugging. Not even the same thing. If they just spam them, it's a crappy, cowardly, annoying strat, yes, but as bad as healing? Not even remotely close.

By definition of your post i see throwing items worse then healing. I heal from now on because everyone does it and i expect them too. And they do heal. There is no reason for someone to be salty about healing because you dont ever convey you wont heal. I dont ever see invaders or hosts chug at the start of a match which would easily tell they still validate the old honor system. So any arguments i see against healing i dont see as relevent anymore. Meanwhile you have people that can give themselves infinite throwable items.

[Cradicias]

Personally, I agree with you wholeheartedly on this matter. If you're in a duel with someone, they should not try and use items to kill you, it's as bad as chugging as it didn't require them to put any points into ability scores to use them and they don't show on their character as being equipped. If someone wants to switch to a bow or use magic to finish me off at range, that's fine. It required effort to be able to use those things.

[Raidden]

Originally posted by Crade:

Personally, I agree with you wholeheartedly on this matter. If you're in a duel with someone, they should not try and use items to kill you, it's as bad as chugging as it didn't require them to put any points into ability scores to use them and they don't show on their character as being equipped. If someone wants to switch to a bow or use magic to finish me off at range, that's fine. It required effort to be able to use those things.

That was the entire point of dueling in dark souls; using weapons and builds to fight each other based on skill. Some dont even use buffs. For the reasons stated above it takes no skill to use throwables or heals and defeats the purpose of a duel. Everyone in dk1 and dk2 had this mindset until in dk3 the tryhards came out through the woodwork.

[lazymagpie]

Rose-tinted glasses again, huh?
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/606312-dark-souls/62022592

[Cradicias]

I can understand your anoyance but people can only carry 30 bombs so they would very soon run out, that's far less annoying and time
consuming than fighting a mage.also during his start up for the bombs, you could of just used a knife or cross bow or bow and killed him, then rolled to dodge the bomb

Except they can also carry lightning bombs, black fire bombs, rope fire bombs, throwing knives, Kukri... They won't run out for a long time.

[lazymagpie]

http://darksouls.wikidot.com/pvp

[[Lethalvriend]]

I always scratch my head when people complain about stuff like this, what's wrong with using a bomb in a duel? The animation is fairly slow and if you roll into him you can even smash his face in as he recovers from the animation. As already stated by others, lots of consumables are faster and can counter it. I suppose the biggest issue is that you can't communicate ingame by typing something in chat or w/e. You just have to deal with it, not everyone that plays this game agrees with some rules people made up on the internet. Probably even more that don't even know about them as everyone seems to have their personal variation of it which makes it impossible to always please the other.

[Cradicias]

Throwables SCALE with certain stats same as bows, the fact it doesn't show on their model is besides the point as there are spells that make your weapon invisible

Note that they SCALE but don't REQUIRE those stats to use them. Thus meaning they didn't require any SKILL or EFFORT to use.

[Cradicias]

Originally posted by Lethalvriend:

I always scratch my head when people complain about stuff like this, what's wrong with using a bomb in a duel? The animation is fairly slow and if you roll into him you can even smash his face in as he recovers from the animation. As already stated by others, lots of consumables are faster and can counter it. I suppose the biggest issue is that you can't communicate ingame by typing something in chat or w/e. You just have to deal with it, not everyone that plays this game agrees with some rules people made up on the internet. Probably even more that don't even know about them as everyone seems to have their personal variation of it which makes it impossible to always please the other.

The reason is because if someone is expecting an honorable duel and is using typical tactics like swinging to bait someone into trying to attack, etc. they can't dodge a fire bomb while trying to use this strategy. And what does a person who intends to bomb or knife someone do? Just waits for the person to try to fight them legitimately and throws the item, thus removing any of the risk associated with a fair fight from the equation.

[[Lethalvriend]]

I actually think consumables such as bombs are some of the fairer tools to use, any build can use them so you are not at a disadvantage when you have an opponent with a seriously fast weapon while you're running some slow weapon build that's easily countered by it. But regardless of what I or anyone will say here, some people are unwilling to accept others play this game by the game's rules.

[Cradicias]

Originally posted by Liam:

Originally posted by Laz0rSquid:

http://darksouls.wikidot.com/pvp

O.p and others should read this, not that honour rules are real but something on dark souls wiki is a bit more solid than you not being able to handle some slow, donate bombs

(again, much easier than a mage with high FP and fast spells)

As someone else said, if your going to chug then that's that, you don't like losing, that's fine, just like throwing bombs is fine

Again, one can see if someone is using a magic catalyst or a bow, allowing them to react to their strategy and try to avoid opening themselves up to a spell or arrow shot. Bombs don't show up on the other person's model and if they hadn't been used up till you got to low life, they are an unfair surprise that didn't require the player using them to put any effort into their chosen method of attack.

[Cradicias]

Originally posted by Liam:

Originally posted by Crade:

Note that they SCALE but don't REQUIRE those stats to use them. Thus meaning they didn't require any SKILL or EFFORT to use.

Leveling stats or wearing a Dex or strength ring = effort or skill?
Can't say I agree there, we will have to disagree.

I feel that hitting someone with a bombs is far harder than hitting them with a sorcery.

The amount of levels my character has does not relate to skill or effort

You had to play the game, get a crap ton of souls to level yeah? Effort.

Also, requires more skill to hit someone with a spell than a bomb because they can EXPECT a spell when you have a catalyst equipped. They can't expect a bomb at all, it comes from nowhere and is sometimes undodgeable if someone was trying a typical strategy like baiting, etc.

[76561198371547825]

/Chug chug chug

[Cradicias]

If your baiting attacks I'd just swing when I saw your swing and punish the fact you were swing when out of range, throwing a bomb is no different, either way you get hit. And again, bombs are very slow and llgically, as everyone can use one and it is included in the house our duel rules in general, that you should expect everyone to have bombs equipped. As a side note, baiting isn't going to work against someone that regularly pvps as your just attacking , leaving yourself open so getting hit by a bomb is punishment. Lastly, a bomb takes more time to throw then it does to switch to a crossbow (which you wouldn't have seen me have equipped until I switched to it) and then fire.

Takes longer to switch, then fire a crossbow than it does to toss a bomb. And, it required you to put in effort to be able to use the bow with its ability requirements. How is that last part not ringing with you? I'd PREFER if someone killed me with the bow, at least it was something they had to plan their weight and ability scores around.

So by your logic, is equipping more than one weapon and switching to them also cheap because you didn't expect people to use their available weapons slots?

Nope, because you can see them switch and adapt.

[76561198371547825]

Originally posted by Liam:

Originally posted by Crade:

You had to play the game, get a crap ton of souls to level yeah? Effort.

Also, requires more skill to hit someone with a spell than a bomb because they can EXPECT a spell when you have a catalyst equipped. They can't expect a bomb at all, it comes from nowhere and is sometimes undodgeable if someone was trying a typical strategy like baiting, etc.

If your baiting attacks I'd just swing when I saw your swing and punish the fact you were swing when out of range, throwing a bomb is no different, either way you get hit. And again, bombs are very slow and llgically, as everyone can use one and it is included in the honour duel rules in general, that you should expect everyone to have bombs equipped.

I know your not going to agree with me, but as others have stated, the only error here is your own if ignorance and failure to adapt.

As a side note, baiting isn't going to work against someone that regularly pvps as your just attacking , leaving yourself open so getting hit by a bomb is punishment.
Lastly, a bomb takes more time to throw then it does to switch to a crossbow (which you wouldn't have seen me have equipped until I switched to it) and then fire.

The same could be said for switching to a spear or whip it anything at all,l.

So by your logic, is equipping more than one weapon and switching to them also cheap because you didn't expect people to use their available weapons slots?

Ignorance and failure to adapt? I adapted. I get tired of people who whine and cry about chugging and yet rely heavily on skilless tactics such as throwing bombs. And when they lose because they suck, the whine and cry about it.
It's effortless to use bombs, but you wanna use bombs, I'll use my estus. It seems your failure to read is really starting to show.