Speedleveling Results:

[Lexan]

Original post with Theorytesting: https://steamcommunity.com/app/374320/discussions/0/133257636768349918/

So, me and my friend Shard of Manus did some testing using various soul gain methods to see if using the "Maximum Possible Soul Gain" strat would work, and it turns out...

*Dramatic Pause*

It does, but only some ways.

As a level 60, when the Red Phantom at maximum level dies to environmental causes or by the host, the host receives 247 thousand souls.

When a level 60 host kills in one shot (AGS Charged R2 vs Jump) with soul boosting gear (Symbol of Avarice, Covetous Ring +2, 2 shields of want) you get 694 thousand souls.

When a level 15 host does the same thing however, they get 584 thousand souls.

This shows that at max/min levels, there's actually a soul gain scaling difference, and the Phantom will not receive the maximum amount of souls one would estimate.

Likely in order to stop this method of farming. However, it took us roughly 20 minutes of testing and in that time I got roughly 2.5 million souls, and was able to level to SL 101 using those. Assuming you can do this flawlessly with the Soul Boosts and have a 802 ready friend, you could definitely get to SL125 within the hour, maybe within 20 minutes even if you're fast enough.

It should also be noted we were not the MOST meticulous in our testing, so there may be discrepancies. Feel free to test and post your results!

We did not test over level 60, and we did not test how many souls the Phantom gains if they kill a Max Level host. If we decide to do that, we will edit the page.

Now get out there and slaughter your friends for a Meta Build!

[cridus]

Since the max level guy cheated with 99.99% of probability, killing him repeatedly for souls is cheating too. Because you know he cheated.

[Lexan]

Originally posted by tizius:

Since the max level guy cheated with 99.99% of probability, killing him repeatedly for souls is cheating too. Because you know he cheated.

The game has been out for 2 years, and it takes only 40 hours of playing at maximum to get to level 802. He didn't cheat.

[Shard of Manus]

Originally posted by tizius:

Since the max level guy cheated with 99.99% of probability, killing him repeatedly for souls is cheating too. Because you know he cheated.

tizius, thanks for the concern, but the character I used (that is 802) I have spent over 140 hours on alone and have farmed a great many souls at the Silver Knights (for Proofs as well as souls) and the Golden Winged Executioners above NG+7. Yes, it's easy to cheat; no, I did not.

[Crucerne]

Originally posted by Shard of Manus:

Originally posted by tizius:

Since the max level guy cheated with 99.99% of probability, killing him repeatedly for souls is cheating too. Because you know he cheated.

tizius, thanks for the concern, but the character I used (that is 802) I have spent over 140 hours on alone and have farmed a great many souls at the Silver Knights (for Proofs as well as souls) and the Golden Winged Executioners above NG+7. Yes, it's easy to cheat; no, I did not.

Hi, I just want to help you validate your claims so people wouldn't get suspicious of you for cheating. It takes a bit over 2,000,000,000 total souls to reach lvl 802. The fastest method you stated for farming souls is the golden winged knights at NG+7. With the souls farming gear, they each drop ~93k souls at NG+7, so around 279k souls per run. 2,000,000,000 / 279,000 = ~7,168.458... times you would need to do this. I would assume you have became extremely proefficient at killing them and would only require you 2 mins per run. Multiply 2 mins by the result acquired earlier and you will get ~14,336.917 mins. Divide this by 60 min/hr and would get you ~238.948 hours.

Hmmm...that's odd, I think you mistyped 140 hours and meant over 240 hours played on that character or you only take ~1 min per golden winged knights run. But it probably would've been a lot faster if you got someone with the patience to drop you 99x great champion souls every minute for 6-7 hours straight. I'm terribly sorry, I don't think I can help you prove your innocence, but fret not, I'm sure there are people out there with a clear judgement and would not suspect you.

[Remedy]

Crucerne, obviously your math is totally wrong because you forgot to add items that Those Winged Knights drop, including Winged Knight Halberd, Winged Knight Twinaxes and 99x stacks of Soul of a Great Champion. Using these drops getting 2.000.000.000 souls goes much faster.

[Shard of Manus]

Originally posted by Crucerne:

Originally posted by Shard of Manus:

tizius, thanks for the concern, but the character I used (that is 802) I have spent over 140 hours on alone and have farmed a great many souls at the Silver Knights (for Proofs as well as souls) and the Golden Winged Executioners above NG+7. Yes, it's easy to cheat; no, I did not.

Hi, I just want to help you validate your claims so people wouldn't get suspicious of you for cheating. It takes a bit over 2,000,000,000 total souls to reach lvl 802. The fastest method you stated for farming souls is the golden winged knights at NG+7. With the souls farming gear, they each drop ~93k souls at NG+7, so around 279k souls per run. 2,000,000,000 / 279,000 = ~7,168.458... times you would need to do this. I would assume you have became extremely proefficient at killing them and would only require you 2 mins per run. Multiply 2 mins by the result acquired earlier and you will get ~14,336.917 mins. Divide this by 60 min/hr and would get you ~238.948 hours.

Hmmm...that's odd, I think you mistyped 140 hours and meant over 240 hours played on that character or you only take ~1 min per golden winged knights run. But it probably would've been a lot faster if you got someone with the patience to drop you 99x great champion souls every minute for 6-7 hours straight. I'm terribly sorry, I don't think I can help you prove your innocence, but fret not, I'm sure there are people out there with a clear judgement and would not suspect you.

You realise that the fastest method of farming after about level 650 is to just spam Yoel? No, I didn't do 40 playthroughs, obviously, but I have got a number of levels just from beating the game and doing Yoel's questline.

Ignoring that, you can receive a multiplicative boost using soul boosting items upon their deaths - boosting your 279k to 783400 roughly.

I did the math. 2, 600, 000, 000 (roughly) / 783400 = 3318.7 (This is using an internet formula for the souls required to level, I can't confirm it's absolute accuracy).

3318.7 x 2 (which is approximately correct) = 6637.5

6637.5 / 60 = 110 hours. Now, detract from this the obvious - which is the 60-70 levels granted from Yoel at the latest stages. These are the top costing levels, ranging from about 9-12 million which let's assume is around 600 000 000 souls, and detract the first 10 million from just getting to NG+7 (random assumption) and normal levelling before then, which takes some time.

Minus a little bit of soul duping (which is hardly cheating [sort of is, but not CE kinds], just a fast method of farming), minus duelling with high level friends which drops a few million per kill.

Let's assume about 1 500 000 000 was farmed.

1 500 000 000 / 783400 = 1914.
1914*2 = 3829.5
3829.5/60 = 63.8

63.8 hours. Let's add about 50 for the general play. And we're left with just over (147 hours), approximately 30 hours of duelling, nonsense, and soul duping.

I know you were just trying to be sure, and it may have seemed suspicious to you, but I'm not a liar.

[Crucerne]

Originally posted by Shard of Manus:

You realise that the fastest method of farming after about level 650 is to just spam Yoel? No, I didn't do 40 playthroughs, obviously, but I have got a number of levels just from beating the game and doing Yoel's questline.

Ignoring that, you can receive a multiplicative boost using soul boosting items upon their deaths - boosting your 279k to 783400 roughly.

I did the math. 2, 600, 000, 000 (roughly) / 783400 = 3318.7 (This is using an internet formula for the souls required to level, I can't confirm it's absolute accuracy).

3318.7 x 2 (which is approximately correct) = 6637.5

6637.5 / 60 = 110 hours. Now, detract from this the obvious - which is the 60-70 levels granted from Yoel at the latest stages. These are the top costing levels, ranging from about 9-12 million which let's assume is around 600 000 000 souls, and detract the first 10 million from just getting to NG+7 (random assumption) and normal levelling before then, which takes some time.

Minus a little bit of soul duping (which is hardly cheating [sort of is, but not CE kinds], just a fast method of farming), minus duelling with high level friends which drops a few million per kill.

Let's assume about 1 500 000 000 was farmed.

1 500 000 000 / 783400 = 1914.
1914*2 = 3829.5
3829.5/60 = 63.8

63.8 hours. Let's add about 50 for the general play. And we're left with just over (147 hours), approximately 30 hours of duelling, nonsense, and soul duping.

I know you were just trying to be sure, and it may have seemed suspicious to you, but I'm not a liar.

No, the fastest method of farming even after lvl 650 is still having someone duping you 99x great champion souls. Even if you surpass the greatest speed runners and do each run in ~30 mins, you can get more total souls through souls duping instead.

The approx. 93k souls per knight at NG+7 is already with all the multiplicative items on (symbol of avarice, silver ring+2, shield of want, and mendicant's staff). Only thing left out is the over-kill multiplicative, which I'm not sure how you are able to 1-shot those knights with those gear on. Surely doing these runs so many times, you would be familiar with how many souls they net you. I'm not sure how you got 783k souls per run. Maybe I'm missing something or it's been so long since you reached lvl 802 that you've forgotten about it already. But a short video of you doing a run getting you 783k souls would be enough to convince me.

So let's say you did the last 70 levels with Yoel at top-tier speedrunner pace with the Goddess of RNG shining on you 24/7 at ~30 mins per run; that's about 420 mins or 7 hours. Which you couldve easily achieved much faster through souls duping. Not sure why would counter-intuitively choose to dupe souls at starting stages and choose Yoel at later stages when a 30 min soul duping session can give you over 100 mil (much higher than 5 measy levels at lvl 600+) souls.

Really? Dueling with high level friends? You do realize the amount of souls you get from summoning reds/purples for duels are significantly less than getting the amount of souls you get from killing an invader? The only feasible method of getting over 1 mil souls per kill from your friends in summoned duels is if you are wearing all those multiplicative souls gear and win fighting them. But at that level, I guess if you and your friends go to a remote area and invade; will most likely run into each other 100% of the time.

At first, I had my doubts on whether you actually cheated or not. You could've easily said you had people soul duping for you for hours and I wouldn't have question further. But the more you explain your methods and process, the more obvious loopholes you show.

Originally posted by EU.GaSeR:

Crucerne, obviously your math is totally wrong because you forgot to add items that Those Winged Knights drop, including Winged Knight Halberd, Winged Knight Twinaxes and 99x stacks of Soul of a Great Champion. Using these drops getting 2.000.000.000 souls goes much faster.

Yeah, you're absolutely right! Those 150 souls per axe and 300 souls per halberd is a game changer! I also can't believe I forgot how each of those knights drop 99x Soul of a Great Champion. Everything is clear to me now, how could I ever doubted him to begin with. I'm sorry Shard of Manus! Damn, what a DS3 god.

[lpnlizard27]

Originally posted by stephanl33t:

Originally posted by tizius:

Since the max level guy cheated with 99.99% of probability, killing him repeatedly for souls is cheating too. Because you know he cheated.

The game has been out for 2 years, and it takes only 40 hours of playing at maximum to get to level 802. He didn't cheat.

Game has not even been out 1 year, Release was April of last year ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Regardless getting to max level would not be hard utilising save backups to drop souls, or cheat engine.