Health reg. for Symbol of Avarice?

[Anon]

Hi,

I was wondering if it's possible to get enough health regeneration to be able to have the Symbol of Avarice on without losing health, and if so, what kind of gear would you have to use?
(while still being able to carry other farming items like Covetous Silver Serpent Ring, Covetous Gold Serpent Ring & Shield of Want)

Thanks.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by lpnlizard27:

Originally posted by Merilirem:

I said it defeated the point, not that it was pointless. Using it takes FP and you run out of fp. If you want to heal constantly your going to run out of FP.

Not if you have anything infused with a simple gem, i always have a ceastus offhand, and even if your two-handing your main weapon you still get FP regen from it. @+10 the FP regen is about 1 FP per 5 sec, that sounds miniscule but when wandering around it refills to full by the time the WA effect is over.

But then you don't get hp regen on that hand and you have to stay with it while you fight which means only using your other hand to fight.

[lpnlizard27]

Theres no perfect solution for sustained wearing of the Symbol of Avarice, the HP drain is about 10 per sec.

If wearing the sun princess ring(+2 hp p/sec), useing Anris sword(+2 hp p/sec), and under the effect of the chime weapon art (+6 hp p/sec) you can almost completly negate the drain for as long as the effect lasts, when you run out of fp after about 7-10 min you will need to simply stop and let the fp regen via simple weapons/sheild. In this way you cna get unlimited heals as long as you dont mind sitting still for a bit and waiting.

I have cleared entire area maps of enemies without useing a single estus in this fashion.

[Anon]

@lpnlizard27
So you would rather infuse the chime with FP regen than HP regen?
Also, how long does the WA last? 45 or 60 seconds?

As for waiting around for FP regen when farming? I guess you'll have to take off the Avarice while you do that, but it also sounds like a poor loot and souls gain ratio. It sounds pretty useful if you're not very good at the game and doing a play-through (I could have used that advise for my first play-through) but I'm not sure how useful it's for grinding. Maybe you can enlighten me?

@Merilirem
Well... if it's possible to use the WA from the chime and then switch over to Shield of Want and then just grab a few FP estus to bring along?

[lpnlizard27]

unfortunatly you cannot infuse chimes, so your limited to a weapon or sheild for FP regen, i use something lightweight, like a ceastus

The blessed weapon is also pretty useless, @ 99 faith and a +10 weapon it only gives 5 Hp per sec, which is one less than the chime @ 10 faith.

And blessed gems only give 3Hp per 2.5 sec

[Anon]

@lpnlizard27
I see. Do you how long does the WA last for the chime (and which chime would you suggest to use?)? 45 or 60 seconds?

But how good is such a setup for grinding/farming? It sounds like you've done something somewhat like what I want to do.

[lpnlizard27]

Heals 360 hp over 60 seconds and costs 13 fp to cast.

Personally i dont wear the symbol of avarice for extended periods running around a map.

I ussualy find my target that needs to be farmed and run to them as fast as possible, kill, and Homeward Bone out, then repeat.

The coiled Sword fragment is usefull to have because its a free Homeward bone.

If your looking to do some grinding for items then i suggest picking a particular target that drops your desired item and getting a route going, once at the end HB out and repeat, you should have enough estus to sustain you through the run.

This makes farming runs more lucrative as you can stack on the item find/ soul gain gear, and just use estus to sustain yourself for the short run. These farming runs should not last more than a few min each before repeating the cycle.

[ShinkuTear]

The point of the Symbol of Avarice is farming runs, which should generally be fairly quick, enough that the HP drain should not be an issue. Warp to the bonfire closest to your target(s), kill it(them), hit the bonfire, repeat as needed/desired. Even halving the HP drain through regen would be enough for most farm runs, since whenever possible, you spec/grind to kill enemies very quickly and return to the bonfire.

Unless you are using spells for killing, even super low Attunement has enough FP to maintain the chime regen or a regen miracle during a farming run. You also have up to 15 Estus flasks you can use if the timing on the run is tight, or if you slip up somehow.

If you are trying to use the Symbol all the time for looks or something, including when going through an area, then you sadly have no real choice but to accept that you must either burn some FP to negate the HP loss, or take the HP loss and burn through your Estus to stay alive. Or both.

[Anon]

@lpnlizard27
Well, I want to get some Slabs (to level up all my gear) and grind more souls before I got to the next NG. But those Slabs never ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ drops, and I'm not going to start leveling luck, so the obvious choise would be to use the Avarice (or at least that seems very obvious to me). But since I really hate the life drain and I hate going into inv and keep changning gear back and forth (would be nice if you could get a key-quick for switch around some gear, like you can in a lot of hack n slash games).

I guess my idea was sorta running from one bonfire to another bonfire and killing all the stuff between and then use the bonfire to return to the first bonfire and keep repeating. I'm a pretty bad farmer I guess... I usually farm souls my letting other people summon me for co-op and then I help them killing trash + bosses.
Avarice would have been a neat addition for the extra souls for that kind of farming. Plus people might find it a bit enduring a box is running around :P

@ShinkuTear
I might slow then I suppose... I can usually feel the effect from the Avarice when I ♥♥♥♥ around with the enemies. But maybe I should just use some of the +HP regen items, just to make the Avarice less annoying to me, as it seems like too much of a bother to completely cancel its life drain (e.g. I really don't want to replace my Shield of Want for my runs).

Oh, no. I'm melee all the way through, spell casting are for wimps :P But ehm... the regen of the chime doesn't work if you replace it with the Shield of Want afterwards, right? The effect is only there as long as you carry the chime around? I know that's a fact for the FP regen, but I'm not sure if that is also applied for the WA.
But if I use my Shield of Want I wouldn't gain any FP regen, you got a suggestion as how to make up for that in regards for not gaining FP regen for the chime?

That's a shame :/ Honestly, I'm a bit let down by armours in DS3, there used be some armours in the earlier games that you could use that gave bonuses, like mana regen, extra faith, +souls and such. Heck, you can't even upgrade your armours in DS3...

[Ryconn]

Originally posted by Religion is retarded:

@Ryconn
Can you bless the shield of want for extra HP regen? And what about making a blessed +10 Dark Sword? Would that give the same health regen as +10 Anri's straight sword?

You have to use anri's sword as that sword specifically gives you two health every two seconds so 1 health persecond then you have to add your massive faithy buffed blessed sword for a max of 6 health regen per sec from your right hand.

The shield may be buffed or infused.
Just so I have nbumbers right in my mind
HP/s
sword +6
Ring +2
shield +2
no buff +-0
total +10
You need good faith though but using the rings can make it easier to get this health restore

[lpnlizard27]

Slabs cannot be farmed per say, they are one time items, more can be obtained through more NG Cycles but they are not a farmable/dropable item.

[Anon]

@Ryconn
What if you put a Blessed Gem and Blessed Weapon on a +10 Dark Sword wouldn't that be the same as Anri's sword then?

I don't have Anri's sword because I think quests in DS3 are really ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥. I really don't like the way FromSoft does quests. So I haven't been bothered to finish any of them. And since I've killed all the bosses it won't be possible for me to get the sword, at least not until I enter a NG.

And having to respect to faith is a bit out of the question for me (depending on how many points we're talking about).

[Anon]

Originally posted by lpnlizard27:

Slabs cannot be farmed per say, they are one time items, more can be obtained through more NG Cycles but they are not a farmable/dropable item.

Ah, that would explain some things... then I don't really know what to grind for besides souls... well, that's annoying... pretty sure you could grind for Slabs in DS2 >_>

[ShinkuTear]

If I am correct, spell buffs like Blessed Weapon require use of Raw, Heavy, Sharp, Refined, or Hollow infusion, the ones that only give physical damage, or simply having no infusion.

Symbol of Avarice would be used for things like farming the covenant rank up items, since every one of them drops from an enemy *somewhere* in the world, or for consumables you simply can't have enough of.

[Anon]

Originally posted by ShinkuTear:

If I am correct, spell buffs like Blessed Weapon require use of Raw, Heavy, Sharp, Refined, or Hollow infusion, the ones that only give physical damage, or simply having no infusion.

Symbol of Avarice would be used for things like farming the covenant rank up items, since every one of them drops from an enemy *somewhere* in the world, or for consumables you simply can't have enough of.

So it wouldn't work with an blessed infused weapon? interesting... and really annoying...

I've only done the Sunbro stuff, I haven't cared about the other covenants. Is there anything worth farming for there, in the other covenats? I feel that the covenants are really pointless in this game. The only reason I joined the sunbros is because other people also get a reward for playing with me, and I'm just so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ charitable :P