Best heavy weapon for both PVE and PVP?

[Joaquim Pacheco]

Hey guys, I'm starting another char, for a more brute build.

In the entire series I never played a lot with really big weapons, so, can you recommend a heavy weapon good for both PVE and PVP?

It can be a UGS, Axe or Great hammer.

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Publicado originalmente por Hat Skeleton!:

Because if you're trying to counter attack a Greatweapon

Then don't try to counter attack a great weapon?

Attack after or before they attack and roll or quickstep away?

If you want to get specific, maybe you can use the Gargoyle Flame Spear(or Witch's Locks WA) and use spacing so you can attack them but they can't attack you?

[gackie]

Publicado originalmente por Berser King:

Publicado originalmente por Hat Skeleton!:

Because if you're trying to counter attack a Greatweapon

Then don't try to counter attack a great weapon?

Attack after or before they attack and roll or quickstep away?

If you want to get specific, maybe you can use the Gargoyle Flame Spear(or Witch's Locks WA) and use spacing so you can attack them but they can't attack you?

What you are saying can literally be said for every other weapon in the game. So many people exaggerate about how UP Greatweapons are. And that's a common excuse too. "Roll away"... Roll away with other weapons too then.

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Publicado originalmente por Hat Skeleton!:

Publicado originalmente por Berser King:

Then don't try to counter attack a great weapon?

Attack after or before they attack and roll or quickstep away?

If you want to get specific, maybe you can use the Gargoyle Flame Spear(or Witch's Locks WA) and use spacing so you can attack them but they can't attack you?

What you are saying can literally be said for every other weapon in the game. So many people exaggerate about how UP Greatweapons are. And that's a common excuse too. "Roll away"... Roll away with other weapons too then.

Instead of just rolling away, you can time your attacks correctly(because your weapon is faster) and then roll away. Or as I said, find a way to outrange them.

[gackie]

Publicado originalmente por Berser King:

Publicado originalmente por Hat Skeleton!:

What you are saying can literally be said for every other weapon in the game. So many people exaggerate about how UP Greatweapons are. And that's a common excuse too. "Roll away"... Roll away with other weapons too then.

Instead of just rolling away, you can time your attacks correctly(because your weapon is faster) and then roll away. Or as I said, find a way to outrange them.

But they can roll too. Good luck outranging weapons like the Profaned Greatsword, or the Black Knight Greatsword.

[Asedora]

black knight's greataxe is really good in PVP as well in PVE,try it

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Publicado originalmente por Hat Skeleton!:

Good luck outranging weapons like the Profaned Greatsword, or the Black Knight Greatsword.

You do know the Gargoyle Flame Spear is the longest weapon in the game right?

If you have a weapon with more range, why wouldn't it be possible to outrange your enemy?

And even Witch's Locks WA is a lot longer than the Gargoyle Flame Spear.

Publicado originalmente por Hat Skeleton!:

But they can roll too.

I mention rolling and you complain that people always talk about rolling. Now you mention rolling too.

Yes, rolling is a major part of Dark Souls 3 no matter what loadout you use, neither me or you can change that. The fact remains, non great weapons are faster, which allows you to utilize timing better. Great weapons have hyperarmor so you can't stagger them during their attacks. But poise is different in Dark Souls 3, you can stagger people before and after their attacks.

[Hannya]

You don't even need to try to outrange them though since everyone can just roll through the first attack and staggerfrick you with a regular greatsword because some of them have already equal AR values like the Claymore; then you can repeatedly take those annoying potshots until your UGS wielding opponent is dead and hasn't hit you at all

[gackie]

Publicado originalmente por Berser King:

Publicado originalmente por Hat Skeleton!:

Good luck outranging weapons like the Profaned Greatsword, or the Black Knight Greatsword.

You do know the Gargoyle Flame Spear is the longest weapon in the game right?

If you have a weapon with more range, why wouldn't it be possible to outrange your enemy?

And even Witch's Locks WA is a lot longer than the Gargoyle Flame Spear.

Publicado originalmente por Hat Skeleton!:

But they can roll too.

I mention rolling and you complain that people always talk about rolling. Now you mention rolling too.

Yes, rolling is a major part of Dark Souls 3 no matter what loadout you use, neither me or you can change that. The fact remains, non great weapons are faster, which allows you to utilize timing better. Great weapons have hyperarmor so you can't stagger them during their attacks. But poise is different in Dark Souls 3, you can stagger people before and after their attacks.

With smaller weapons all you can do is trade hits and hope for the best. By your current logic, you have never once been hit by a Greatweapon. But the fact is that right now they are very powerful. The Gargoyle Flame spear also isn't something people just have offhand randomly, what with weighing alot, and being obtained very late game. I could go on, but the argument ends here as far as I'm concerned.

[Aryend]

I have been using greatswords and greataxes for the majority of ny playtime, and, while it's true that you're at a disadvantage against more skilled players, they still are viable if you know what you're doing. And it's laughably easy to punish r1 or parry spammers with it, alsothe charged thrusting R2 of weapons like Astora with leo ring are devastating if you kno how to time them right.
My personal favorites are Astora Ugs, Profaned ugs, Lothric ugs, dragonslayer greataxe and the regular greataxe.

[gackie]

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You don't even need to try to outrange them though since everyone can just roll through the first attack and staggerfrick you with a regular greatsword because some of them have already equal AR values like the Claymore; then you can repeatedly take those annoying potshots until your UGS wielding opponent is dead and hasn't hit you at all

Except after the first attack's hyper armour ends, the anti-motion animation frames do too. So it becomes very easy to simply evade the "staggerfrick". I think people forget why several of the meta weapons have been nerfed (Ala Fume and Astora). They were too hard to counter. Fume for the rediculous AR and Astora for the amazing moveset.

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Publicado originalmente por Berser King:

You do know the Gargoyle Flame Spear is the longest weapon in the game right?

If you have a weapon with more range, why wouldn't it be possible to outrange your enemy?

And even Witch's Locks WA is a lot longer than the Gargoyle Flame Spear.




I mention rolling and you complain that people always talk about rolling. Now you mention rolling too.

Yes, rolling is a major part of Dark Souls 3 no matter what loadout you use, neither me or you can change that. The fact remains, non great weapons are faster, which allows you to utilize timing better. Great weapons have hyperarmor so you can't stagger them during their attacks. But poise is different in Dark Souls 3, you can stagger people before and after their attacks.

With smaller weapons all you can do is trade hits and hope for the best. By your current logic, you have never once been hit by a Greatweapon. But the fact is that right now they are very powerful. The Gargoyle Flame spear also isn't something people just have offhand randomly, what with weighing alot, and being obtained very late game. I could go on, but the argument ends here as far as I'm concerned.

Greatweapons are very powerful, just like a ton of other weapons in the game.

And as I mentioned several time befores, there are several ways of dealing with greatswords, but you seem to act like there is only one way.

As I said:
-Choose any of the weapons that outrange them.
-Use a weapon art that counters them either through staggering, range, or damage.
-Use a faster weapon and take advantage of your superior timing to hit them before or after their attacks.

If your enemy is using a greatsword and only spamming their quick attack, that makes them predictable. If they are going to do their slowest attacks, then that gives you a chance to even throw spells or knives at them. If your enemy one hands their (ultra) greatsword, feel free to parry them.

[gackie]

Publicado originalmente por Berser King:

Publicado originalmente por Hat Skeleton!:

With smaller weapons all you can do is trade hits and hope for the best. By your current logic, you have never once been hit by a Greatweapon. But the fact is that right now they are very powerful. The Gargoyle Flame spear also isn't something people just have offhand randomly, what with weighing alot, and being obtained very late game. I could go on, but the argument ends here as far as I'm concerned.

Greatweapons are very powerful, just like a ton of other weapons in the game.

And as I mentioned several time befores, there are several ways of dealing with greatswords, but you seem to act like there is only one way.

As I said:
-Choose any of the weapons that outrange them.
-Use a weapon art that counters them either through staggering, range, or damage.
-Use a faster weapon and take advantage of your superior timing to hit them before or after their attacks.

If your enemy is using a greatsword and only spamming their quick attack, that makes them predictable. If they are going to do their slowest attacks, then that gives you a chance to even throw spells or knives at them.

I was simply pointing out they aren't useless.

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Publicado originalmente por Hat Skeleton!:

I was simply pointing out they aren't useless.

Please tell me you just woke up on the wrong side of bed today.



You didn't just say they aren't useless.



You clearly said:

Publicado originalmente por Hat Skeleton!:

Every Greatweapon rules the game.

[gackie]

Publicado originalmente por Berser King:

Publicado originalmente por Hat Skeleton!:

I was simply pointing out they aren't useless.

Please tell me you just woke up on the wrong side of bed today.



You didn't just say they aren't useless.



You clearly said:

Publicado originalmente por Hat Skeleton!:

Every Greatweapon rules the game.

Rules the game in terms of pure advantage. Yes. You gain an entire anti-stagger mechanic, have a potential triple output of smaller weapons, an extended stagger output and can't be parried. They have alot of advantages behind them. Smaller weapons have the advantage of speed and mobility for sure, but that's about all there is going for them.

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Publicado originalmente por Hat Skeleton!:

Smaller weapons have the advantage of speed and mobility for sure, but that's about all there is going for them.

Again.

You can use longer weapons that aren't greatswords.

You can use weapon arts on weapons that aren't greatswords.

You can take advantage of timing if you have a weapon faster than a greatsword.

Or, you can take advantage of someone using a slow attack with a greatsword to throw a spell or knife at them.

Greatswords are very good at being a generalist weapon, but all you have to do is take a specialist weapon and know how to use what is "special" about that weapon.