Valorheart needs an AR buff

[Primeval]

I am doing a full valorheart playthrough and I love the weapon. The moveset is so active and fun. I feel like 386 AR at 40/40 quality is just not enough for PvP. I am not talking about a big bump but something like 405-410 AR at 40/40 would actually make a difference. Or maybe the stamina damage of the weapon could be slightly higher since you are almost meant to trade hits with the way the weapon works.
What do you guys think?

[Funpire]

That weapon isn't about AR. It's a really high tier weapon for pvp. Auto block, attack and defend simultaneously. I think it's fine, then again one patch left so we will see.

[Primeval]

I completely agree about the moveset with the ability to block and attack on properly timed attacks. I just feel like with it's short range (minus the jump attack and L2/R1) and somewhat of a wind up on most attacks it could use a modest AR buff.

[aathimar]

Originally posted by Funpire:

It's a really high tier weapon for pvp.

It was. Before ultra weapons got buffed and every 3rd player started using them in arena)

Valorheart is good vs light weapons, it's still ok vs medium weapons like GS, but it's bad vs any ultra weapon.

[Primeval]

I mean don't get me wrong I am only level 60 or so currently and I can beat GS/UGS/GH users about 50% of the time. It just feels like I have to play perfectly and chip away at their health 100 at a time. I want that chip damage to be like 150!!!

[Grottowalker]

Originally posted by aathimar:

Originally posted by Funpire:

It's a really high tier weapon for pvp.

It was. Before ultra weapons got buffed and every 3rd player started using them in arena)

Valorheart is good vs light weapons, it's still ok vs medium weapons like GS, but it's bad vs any ultra weapon.

so just have a backup dagger with quickstep for any ultra weapon...

[thebigkabooa]

Having a quickstep weapon doesn't invalidate Valorheart being bad against Ultras :P.

Not to mention, Valorheart is terrible against standard kicks. The low inherent stability seems worse when mid-attack animation. Kick through full stamina all day every day son.

[gackie]

Originally posted by Funpire:

one patch left so we will see.

What?

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Hat Skeleton!:

Originally posted by Funpire:

one patch left so we will see.

What?

People keep saying the patches are over and i have no idea where this info comes from. Seems like bull to me.

[Hans Meiser]

I wouldn't mind a small damage buff on it. They should definitely put it over 400 AR on 40/40 to make it a bit more viable in PVE. It is somewhat viable for duels, but outside of that there is really no reason to ever use it, which is a shame.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Dr. Venkman:

I wouldn't mind a small damage buff on it. They should definitely put it over 400 AR on 40/40 to make it a bit more viable in PVE. It is somewhat viable for duels, but outside of that there is really no reason to ever use it, which is a shame.

It works fine outside of duels its just that its strength does not lie where most people want it. Its great for fighting blockable mobs without taking hits and if you stop dualing it the sword has a normal moveset.

Most enemies are too simply to make full use of it sure, but its perfectly fine in PVE. Just have to accept that its not the same and that the all important AR won't be as good as other weapons. If you make a build for it everythings pretty decent though since staying under 30% for speed keeps you from sidearming properly. This weapon has no real weak spot, unlike most other weapons which fail against something.

Closest it has is big weapons but they can be taken with leo ring or backstabbing.

[Merilirem]

AR buff certainly wouldn't hurt anyone of course.

[Hans Meiser]

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Originally posted by Dr. Venkman:

I wouldn't mind a small damage buff on it. They should definitely put it over 400 AR on 40/40 to make it a bit more viable in PVE. It is somewhat viable for duels, but outside of that there is really no reason to ever use it, which is a shame.

It works fine outside of duels its just that its strength does not lie where most people want it. Its great for fighting blockable mobs without taking hits and if you stop dualing it the sword has a normal moveset.

Most enemies are too simply to make full use of it sure, but its perfectly fine in PVE. Just have to accept that its not the same and that the all important AR won't be as good as other weapons. If you make a build for it everythings pretty decent though since staying under 30% for speed keeps you from sidearming properly. This weapon has no real weak spot, unlike most other weapons which fail against something.

Closest it has is big weapons but they can be taken with leo ring or backstabbing.

I can also play "perfectly fine" through the game with a broken straight sword, is there a reason to use it over other weapons, though? No and it's the same for Valorheart. Also, valorheart has the same weakness as other straight swords in PVE, low poise damage/stagger potential or whatever you want to call it.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Dr. Venkman:

Originally posted by Merilirem:

It works fine outside of duels its just that its strength does not lie where most people want it. Its great for fighting blockable mobs without taking hits and if you stop dualing it the sword has a normal moveset.

Most enemies are too simply to make full use of it sure, but its perfectly fine in PVE. Just have to accept that its not the same and that the all important AR won't be as good as other weapons. If you make a build for it everythings pretty decent though since staying under 30% for speed keeps you from sidearming properly. This weapon has no real weak spot, unlike most other weapons which fail against something.

Closest it has is big weapons but they can be taken with leo ring or backstabbing.

I can also play "perfectly fine" through the game with a broken straight sword, is there a reason to use it over other weapons, though? No and it's the same for Valorheart. Also, valorheart has the same weakness as other straight swords in PVE, low poise damage/stagger potential or whatever you want to call it.

When i said perfectly fine i did not mean you can beat the game with it. Thats not fine let alone perfectly so. I mean that its shield block and moveset were fine, they did enough to make it even with other choices enough for me to not feel like im gimping myself. A whip for instance feels a bit gimpish on its own.

Low poise damage might be a weakness but it just means thats not what its for. Valorheart is a speed based weapon and if used as intended its not a bad choice. Its average which is to say its good enough. I don't feel any issue with it over a longsword/longsword+small/med shield and while its damage might lack its block attacks make up for that along with its nice flowy moveset.

We can dissagree but i honestly think its a fine weapon for pve.

[Hans Meiser]

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Originally posted by Dr. Venkman:

I can also play "perfectly fine" through the game with a broken straight sword, is there a reason to use it over other weapons, though? No and it's the same for Valorheart. Also, valorheart has the same weakness as other straight swords in PVE, low poise damage/stagger potential or whatever you want to call it.

When i said perfectly fine i did not mean you can beat the game with it. Thats not fine let alone perfectly so. I mean that its shield block and moveset were fine, they did enough to make it even with other choices enough for me to not feel like im gimping myself. A whip for instance feels a bit gimpish on its own.

Low poise damage might be a weakness but it just means thats not what its for. Valorheart is a speed based weapon and if used as intended its not a bad choice. Its average which is to say its good enough. I don't feel any issue with it over a longsword/longsword+small/med shield and while its damage might lack its block attacks make up for that along with its nice flowy moveset.

We can dissagree but i honestly think its a fine weapon for pve.

A broadswoard has 446 AR on a 40/40 build with a refined infusion AND it can be buffed. Valorheart has 386 and CAN'T be buffed. Even the longsword reaches 428 AR without any buffs.

I don't know when you start considering something gimping yourself, but abandoning much higher damage, versatility, the ability to two hand for better staggering potential and the ability to apply a resin that resonates with the weakness of a particular enemy sounds very much like gimping yourself to me.

Edit: Oh and since we're talking about PVE, let's not forget the fact that Valorheart pretty much NEEDS the 40/40 in order to do close to decent damage at all, while every other straight sword will do fine with a sharp or heavy infusion as well. (Example at 40dex 13str:

Longsword with sharp infusion: 401 damage
Valorheart: 334

So, until you actually reach endgame to pump your stats high enough, Valorheart is even worse for PVE.

[gackie]

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Originally posted by Hat Skeleton!:

What?

People keep saying the patches are over and i have no idea where this info comes from. Seems like bull to me.

Considering SotFS still gets updates, I'd say the bandwaggoners are looking for a reason to put down the game again.