[LORE] Painted Girl discussion

[Wolfguarde]

So I've been mulling over this for a bit and I'm wondering what people's thoughts/the popular theories are regarding the subject. I've put together something of my own and I want to know if it fits or clashes with the general consensus where this character is concerned.

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"Those who aren't ken to fire cannot paint a world."

Confirmation that she is of Gwyn's lineage.

"Those absorbed by fire, must not paint a world."

Implication that Lords would be capable of creating a Painted World. Elfriede is Ash, and one of the theories I've heard of implies that Ashen ones are beings who failed to rekindle the First Flame and thus become a Lord. Possible connection there?

"Don't worry, I haven't forgotten, Mother..."

Implication that this child was not forgotten nor neglected, thus unlikely to be Priscilla.

- Ripped from the Lifehunt Scythe page:
"Aldrich dreamt as he slowly devoured the God of the Darkmoon. In this dream, he perceived the form of a young, pale girl in hiding."

The girl, judging from this, likely exists in the timeline's present. She is in some way connected to Priscilla, but their appearances are markedly different: skin colour, body shape, lack of tail, and most notedly - eye colour. The girl's eyes are completely red. Priscilla's are yellow.

From this, my guesses would be that the girl is either Ocelotte or Ariamis. Ocelotte would be painting either the Abyss or Bloodbourne; Ariamis would be painting the world that would eventually become home to Priscilla. Ariamis is never identified (to the best of my knowledge) in the lore as anything but the artist who constructed the painting. Ocelotte is heavily implied to be dead at Oceiros' hand during the fight, but he himself stated that the child should have nothing to fear due to its heritage as a child of dragons.

If the girl is Ocelotte, the timeline is likely linear or ambiguous; if it's Ariamis, the timeline is cyclic. Thoughts?

[Shard of Manus]

Ocellote is a male name.

Ariamis is either the Painter of the Painted World of Ariamis, or the one whom restored it (much like Ariandel had his own).

Originally posted by Wolfguarde:

"Those who aren't ken to fire cannot paint a world."

Confirmation that she is of Gwyn's lineage.

That is a massive and baseless assumption... don't use the word confirmation again, please.

Originally posted by Wolfguarde:

"Don't worry, I haven't forgotten, Mother..."

Implication that this child was not forgotten nor neglected, thus unlikely to be Priscilla.

Clearly the child isn't Priscilla, but it's her mother's words which were not forgotten, rather than any particular individual. That being said, is doesn't matter whether a being is remembered or not, that has nothing to do with being drawn into the Painted World. It is solely to do with the being having 'no place' in the outside world.

Aside from that, it was clear from DS1 that some things were forcibly placed within the Painted World by the gods to ensure they were not used against them (were kept hidden).

Originally posted by Wolfguarde:

- Ripped from the Lifehunt Scythe page:
"Aldrich dreamt as he slowly devoured the God of the Darkmoon. In this dream, he perceived the form of a young, pale girl in hiding."

The girl, judging from this, likely exists in the timeline's present. She is in some way connected to Priscilla, but their appearances are markedly different: skin colour, body shape, lack of tail, and most notedly - eye colour. The girl's eyes are completely red. Priscilla's are yellow.

Priscilla is the only known being to have possessed the Lifehunt Scythe, and Aldrich (a seer) very likely perceived her as a result of consuming Gwyndolin, whom seems (when analysing the lore) to have been very much aware of the Painted World and most likely Priscilla's presence within it.

The Painter and Priscilla obviously have differences, but are markedly similar as well. However, appearance is often a terrible way of assuming relation. Take a look at Gwyndolin and Gwynevere.

I'm going to stop here, because I don't have the energy or desire to properly argue against this... simply because...

Originally posted by Wolfguarde:

Ocelotte would be painting either the Abyss or Bloodbourne

That makes me want to cut my wrists in and of itself.

[Wirblefu]

She says she has no name when you give ger the dark souls pigment so i dunno

[Skry]

i dont really agree with your theory, first of all there are 2 theories about ocelotte, the first one (and the most plausible) is that oceiros is holding him, in fact if you hear the baby is crying and he's definetly holding it in one hand during the first phase, at the second phase, seeing that ocelotte is doing nothing, oceiros goes mad because he expected much from him when in fact he was just a child, that s why he smashes it into the ground and goes mad, fighting for survival. as for why the child is invisible...well think about it, it s a crossbreed between oceiros, a half dragon (once human), and gwynevere (probably), priscilla also was a crossbreed between a dragon and a god, and she had the ability to turn invisible, maybe she controlled it later when she grew up and thus she could turn visible and invisisble when she wanted, but for a newborn child that is impossible to do.
The other theory about ocelotte is that it's gundyr, he was meant to link the fire but ultimately he was to late, thus he became a guardian to ensure a worthy heir to link the fire.

the girl is definetly not ariamis... it's is highly believed that she's the child of priscilla, mainly because she resembles her but not completely, implying that priscilla made her with a human/god (we dont know who exactly) and that's why the girl doestn resemble her mother in all the aspects. she probably is of gwyn lineage, because it's theoriesed that priscilla is the crossbreed of seath the scaleless and gwynevere (the daughter of gwyn)

remember that this is a timeline separate from dark souls 1, meaning that while in dark souls 1 we kill priscilla and ornstein, they had another path in this one. gwyndolin included (he was killed by aldrich)


also it is theoriesed that bloodborne is the world the girl eventually created, it fits the description of a cold, dark and very gentle place (kinda...) but that s only and only speculation.

[Shard of Manus]

Originally posted by imSkry:

also it is theoriesed that bloodborne is the world the girl eventually created, it fits the description of a cold, dark and very gentle place (kinda...) but that s only and only speculation.

This is not a 'theory'. It's just pure jibber jabber spread by people that don't seem to get that Bloodborne and Demon's Souls are not connected to Dark Souls.

[Wolfguarde]

Ok, I clearly haven't dived deep enough into the lore and have possibly opened up a can of worms here.

Manus, the statement itself is confirmation. "Ken to fire" - akin to fire. Gwyn in his prime was the lord of fire. Of everything I'm written, that's the one thing I'm sure of. But I'll do some more research and leaf through what's available and see what I've missed.

Wirb, I'd actually missed that, good call.

Skry, I partially agree with that first theory about Ocelotte, but I feel there's a possible implication that it survived Oceiros dashing it against the floor in his prior dialogue. The possibility of invisibility hadn't occurred to me - that's an interesting piece of detail. I was operating on the belief that Ocelotte's murder (or attempted murder) had happened in the distant past, and that Oceiros was reliving a memory during the fight, having already well and truly descended into insanity. For a draconic being, he looks quite... hollow.

The possibility of the painter being Priscilla's daughter had crossed my mind as well, though it makes me wonder who the dead, propped-up figure in Ariandel's boss room is. She definitely isn't Priscilla; if you pull out a bow and look at her face, she's got both the wrong features and wrong skin colour, not to mention the fact that she's both quite a bit smaller and has no tail. To me, Priscilla's existence is implied by that to be so far in the past that the inhabitants of the painting have well and truly forgotten her, allowing Friede and Ariandel to supplant her and use her memory to maintain authority.

Again, it looks like I'm going to need to another lore dive, though. It looks like I'm missing too much information to say anything with confidence here.