I need some quick tips on Melee/Pyro build...

[BrawnSean]

I played DS1 as a pyro but I've never really got into it on DS3. I've decided to fully commit to it on a fresh new character and I could use some advice.

So I'm looking to do a "lite" pyro build with a heavier focus on dex. I was thinking of just stopping attunement at 3 slots and then get Intelligence to the first soft cap? Maybe go a little beyond that? Then from there just pour into the usual stuff like Dex, health, endurance, and eventually a little vitality as well. I would just like to know what other pyros have done and what has worked best for them. I know a sh*t ton about DS3 but magic/pyro builds are not a strong point... any advice would be great. Thanks.

[nxmt]

DEX because of the weapons you intend to use? If you're worried about scaling, the chaos and dark gem infusions are a pyro's friend as they scale with both. I'm getting 200-300 dmg per strike on my chaos and dark infused longswords on a 30INT 30FAI with 12STR 10DEX.

If you're going pyro lite, 3 slots should be sufficient to wield chaos vestiges/chaos orb which takes up 2 slots and then the last slot can used to fill it with anything else like a personal favorite of mine, the black orb.

[jay jay the dank planezinho]

Well, everyone could be a pyro in DS1. All you needed to do was to upgrade your flame and there you. It didn't scale with anything! Maybe if you want to use more pyromancies, you put some points in ATN, but overall, everyone could cast a Great Chaos Fire Orb. Insane stuff.

Anyway, what exactly do you want to use as Pyro? You have a flame whip that scales with INT and FTH, good for a pyromancer, and a curved sword that also works as a Flame. These can be your melee weapons. You can also use The Onyx Blade, the Gargoyle Flame Spear and... that's it I guess.

I don't recommend using normal weapons with the Flame Weapon buff because of all the buffs you can get, this one is one of the weakest, losing only to Blessed Weapon (but that one gives physical damage and regen) and the Magic and Greater Magic Weapon.

You should try to have 30 ATN. Unfortunately, some very useful pyromancies uses 2 slots instead of 1. At the very least, 24 for 4 spell slots. Unless you feel like you need to use only 2 spells (Chaos Bed Vestige is too good to pass imo), then keep it at 18. Your FP will be quite low though.

Choose your weapon and keep your STR and DEX at minimum to use them. The options I gave have good scaling with FTH and INT, so you can do a good ammount of damage still.

Oh yes! There's also the Gargoyle Flame Hammer, but that one requires 22 of STR and the scaling for INT and FTH isn't very high. I'm not sure it's that worth unless you are planning to make a STR pyro build (that would be unusual, but maybe fun).

[nxmt]

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You should try to have 30 ATN. Unfortunately, some very useful pyromancies uses 2 slots instead of 1. At the very least, 24 for 4 spell slots. Unless you feel like you need to use only 2 spells (Chaos Bed Vestige is too good to pass imo).

If going for 4, might as well go 30ATN for 5 slots. Vestiges and Chaos Orb are incredible spells that complement each other and useful depending on who you're fighting. However, they eat up stamina like crazy. On 20END, 2 back to back shots is enough for a complete drain.

I say either stick to 3 or head straight to 5 because you can still wield a backup "lighter" pyromancy like black orb or combustion or something else.

In hindsight, a higher DEX also means quicker spell casting though that can be offset with the sage's ring.

[BrawnSean]

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DEX because of the weapons you intend to use? If you're worried about scaling, the chaos and dark gem infusions are a pyro's friend as they scale with both. I'm getting 200-300 dmg per strike on my chaos and dark infused longswords on a 30INT 30FAI with 12STR 10DEX.

If you're going pyro lite, 3 slots should be sufficient to wield chaos vestiges/chaos orb which takes up 2 slots and then the last slot can used to fill it with anything else like a personal favorite of mine, the black orb.

I guess I shouldve specified that I wouldnt be using the pyros as my main line of attack. I'd still be a melee character at heart but with decently strong pyros as a backup. I just want to be able to toss out a couple spells that actually do reasonable damage.

Also, I'm trying to avoid faith as much as possible. Is that even possible? Thanks for the reply.

[BrawnSean]

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Choose your weapon and keep your STR and DEX at minimum to use them. The options I gave have good scaling with FTH and INT, so you can do a good ammount of damage still.

Oh yes! There's also the Gargoyle Flame Hammer, but that one requires 22 of STR and the scaling for INT and FTH isn't very high. I'm not sure it's that worth unless you are planning to make a STR pyro build (that would be unusual, but maybe fun).

Is there a way to keep my faith as low as possible while still having a moderately high damage output? If you check my earlier reply, I said that I still want to be a decently strong melee character (with focus on dex) but also have some decent pyros as a backup. So in other words, I still plan on being melee first, then some pyros as backups.

[Velkhana's Summer]

I refuse to share the true power of a faith dex pyro build. I've already said too much

[BrawnSean]

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I refuse to share the true power of a faith dex pyro build. I've already said too much

Thanks for your help.

[nxmt]

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DEX because of the weapons you intend to use? If you're worried about scaling, the chaos and dark gem infusions are a pyro's friend as they scale with both. I'm getting 200-300 dmg per strike on my chaos and dark infused longswords on a 30INT 30FAI with 12STR 10DEX.

If you're going pyro lite, 3 slots should be sufficient to wield chaos vestiges/chaos orb which takes up 2 slots and then the last slot can used to fill it with anything else like a personal favorite of mine, the black orb.

I guess I shouldve specified that I wouldnt be using the pyros as my main line of attack. I'd still be a melee character at heart but with decently strong pyros as a backup. I just want to be able to toss out a couple spells that actually do reasonable damage.

Also, I'm trying to avoid faith as much as possible. Is that even possible? Thanks for the reply.

20INT 10FAI minimum then, to use Chaos Vestiges. That's all you'll need as far as hard hitting pyromancies go. Most bosses I encountered couldn't stand a chance against it.

Alternatively, Chaos Orb is a slightly downgraded version which has NO requirements to use! Only downside is range.

Since you're gunning for DEX, ignore the sage ring. Get the Witch's Ring for a pyro boost. Bam, you're set.

[Velkhana's Summer]

Just put melee faith and pyro skills together until you figure out what I'm trying to hide.

[BrawnSean]

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I guess I shouldve specified that I wouldnt be using the pyros as my main line of attack. I'd still be a melee character at heart but with decently strong pyros as a backup. I just want to be able to toss out a couple spells that actually do reasonable damage.

Also, I'm trying to avoid faith as much as possible. Is that even possible? Thanks for the reply.

20INT 10FAI minimum then, to use Chaos Vestiges. That's all you'll need as far as hard hitting pyromancies go. Most bosses I encountered couldn't stand a chance against it.

Alternatively, Chaos Orb is a slightly downgraded version which has NO requirements to use! Only downside is range.

Ok thanks I'll look into this!

[BrawnSean]

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Just put melee faith and pyro skills together until you figure out what I'm trying to hide.

Once again, thanks for your help.

[淵 Oriko Fujidou]

Personaly fell in love with witches locks, thing hits like a truck when a pyromancer uses it, and using scar when they get close.

[jay jay the dank planezinho]

Keep in mind that while the Chaotic spells don't have any requirements to use, they still scale with FTH and INT, so if you keep these stats low, the damage of your spells will be low.

Honestly, if you are mostly interested in just using weapons that scale with FTH and INT, perhaps keep your ATN at minimum, something like 18 to have 3 slots, and put the rest of your stats into VIG and END. Use support pyromancies instead like Warmth, Power Within... Otherwise, if you don't want to use spells at all, I'm not even sure why you are even bothering with pyromancies at all.

[Herbalacious]

Melee Pyro Build at SL120:

Starting Class Pyromancy: 36 Vig/24 Att/22 End/9 Vit/14 Str/17 Dex/40 Int/40 Fai/7 Luck
You could go 35/35 int/faith for more vit/end/hp and lose some damage (about 20AR+ accross the board for the weapons below)

Right Hand Weapons: Onyx Blade 524AR, Demon's Scar 342AR, Murky Hand Scythe with Dark or Chaos Infusion gets 330AR and is a great backup weapon. Witch's Locks could work here too if you like whips.

Left Hand: Pyro Hand and Dragonhead Shield..maybe Etheral Oak Shield if you like to use the WA from the scar or hand scythe a lot.

Rings: Both Pyro rings, Sages ring, Ring of Favor +3

Armor: Desert Pyro Hood, Alva's Chest, Sellsword Gauntlets, Alva's Legs

Spells: Chaos Bed or Orb, Black Flame, Black Serpent or Flame Surge

If you equip all of this you're right under the 70% weight limit. I think there's enough for a Caestus if you like parrying. Edit: Nope no room for Caestus!

It's weakness is lack of endurance so you'll need to be good at managing stamina especially if you like spamming spells or swinging that Onyx Blade way too much. Damage will be really good tho.

[nxmt]

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Keep in mind that while the Chaotic spells don't have any requirements to use, they still scale with FTH and INT, so if you keep these stats low, the damage of your spells will be low.

Honestly, if you are mostly interested in just using weapons that scale with FTH and INT, perhaps keep your ATN at minimum, something like 18 to have 3 slots, and put the rest of your stats into VIG and END. Use support pyromancies instead like Warmth, Power Within... Otherwise, if you don't want to use spells at all, I'm not even sure why you are even bothering with pyromancies at all.

A melee user with backup pyromancies is always useful to soften a target before you get within ♥♥♥♥ touching distance. I personally do this. Lob an orb or two, they charge, I swing my chaos/dark longsword. Done deal.