Inbred assassins. Eeeeeeew, Ubisoft.

[Teiwaz]

To have access to a memory in the Animus, you have to be a descendant of the person in question.
All of the memories available to Abstergo come from Desmond Miles' DNA.
In Assassin's Creed: Syndicate, you play as both Jacob and Evie Frye, who are brother and sister.
Therefore, Desmond is a descendant of both Jacob and Evie Frye.
Therefore, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew, Ubisoft. Eew. Eew!

[Shouvanik]

You must have been out of the loop, I guess. Ac4's edward was the last person which was from sample 17 aka Desmond's DNA. Shay, Arno and Jacob & Evie are not ancestors of Desmond.

Starting with Unity, animus is replaced by helix which is a console connecting to helix cloud and can show memories of anyone to anyone else. Abstergo can collect memories from remenants like blood, bones etc. instead of just direct genetic memory of successors. Furthermore helix can handle 2 genetic memory stream efficiently, eliminating the need of two of them connecting in bloodlines. So there was no incest or 'twincest'. Put down your tinfoil hat.

[Fenember]

Originally posted by Shouvanik:

You must have been out of the loop, I guess. Ac4's edward was the last person which was from sample 17 aka Desmond's DNA. Shay, Arno and Jacob & Evie are not ancestors of Desmond.

Starting with Unity, animus is replaced by helix which is a console connecting to helix cloud and can show memories of anyone to anyone else. Abstergo can collect memories from remenants like blood, bones etc. instead of just direct genetic memory of successors. Furthermore helix can handle 2 genetic memory stream efficiently, eliminating the need of two of them connecting in bloodlines. So there was no incest or 'twincest'. Put down your tinfoil hat.

Ruining my twincest fantasy

[Teiwaz]

Originally posted by Shouvanik:

You must have been out of the loop, I guess. Ac4's edward was the last person which was from sample 17 aka Desmond's DNA. Shay, Arno and Jacob & Evie are not ancestors of Desmond.

Starting with Unity, animus is replaced by helix which is a console connecting to helix cloud and can show memories of anyone to anyone else. Abstergo can collect memories from remenants like blood, bones etc. instead of just direct genetic memory of successors. Furthermore helix can handle 2 genetic memory stream efficiently, eliminating the need of two of them connecting in bloodlines. So there was no incest or 'twincest'. Put down your tinfoil hat.

Where do they say that? In Black Flag, you're working on Helix and they explicitly say that all of the memories under development are from a single "donor." (Desmond Miles.) Emails in AC4 say that Desmond had a notable ancestor involved in the french revolution, which seems like a clear reference to Arno from Unity, indicating that the post AC4 protagonists' memories are from his DNA as well.

[TurulBird]

Originally posted by Teiwaz:

Where do they say that? In Black Flag, you're working on Helix and they explicitly say that all of the memories under development are from a single "donor." (Desmond Miles.)

No, they say that all of the memories studied under that specific department of abstergo was from single donor. Melanie Lemay also points out an Aveline poster from Liberation and states that it's one of their first works. Aveline has no ancestral connection with Desmond and she is an ancestor of Subject 1. This shows that not every memory have to be related to Desmond's ancestors. Well, one of the main points of the Black Flag(If there was any at all...) was the fact that people geneticaly unrelated to the donors' ancestors are now being able to sync with them thanks Helix.

Originally posted by Teiwaz:

Emails in AC4 say that Desmond had a notable ancestor involved in the french revolution, which seems like a clear reference to Arno from Unity, indicating that the post AC4 protagonists' memories are from his DNA as well.

Not necessarily. Desmond's mentioned ancestor might even be Napoleon for all we know.

So, Cesare x Lucrezia is still the first and only cannon incest of ACverse. Well... And hopefully the last... lol

[Shouvanik]

Originally posted by Teiwaz:

Originally posted by Shouvanik:

You must have been out of the loop, I guess. Ac4's edward was the last person which was from sample 17 aka Desmond's DNA. Shay, Arno and Jacob & Evie are not ancestors of Desmond.

Starting with Unity, animus is replaced by helix which is a console connecting to helix cloud and can show memories of anyone to anyone else. Abstergo can collect memories from remenants like blood, bones etc. instead of just direct genetic memory of successors. Furthermore helix can handle 2 genetic memory stream efficiently, eliminating the need of two of them connecting in bloodlines. So there was no incest or 'twincest'. Put down your tinfoil hat.

Where do they say that? In Black Flag, you're working on Helix and they explicitly say that all of the memories under development are from a single "donor." (Desmond Miles.) Emails in AC4 say that Desmond had a notable ancestor involved in the french revolution, which seems like a clear reference to Arno from Unity, indicating that the post AC4 protagonists' memories are from his DNA as well.

Nope, you are working on animus omega, which is a research and development machine for helix. That department's memories were from subject 17, not everyone's.

And that mentioned ancestor is not necessarily arno. There was no confirmation or anything.
Also according to acwiki, Arno is not an ancestor of Desmond along with Adewale, Shao Jun, Shay, Aveline, Jacob and Evie.
And as I already stated before, even for the sake of argument, if you consider at least one of them Desmond's ancestor, they don't need to do incest as abstergo can collect genetic memory from remenants, also their distant successors might interbred in recent years without knowing that they are related distantly, therefore creating a baby with both of Jacob and Evie's memory.

[gajrajgchouhan]

Originally posted by Teiwaz:

Originally posted by Shouvanik:

You must have been out of the loop, I guess. Ac4's edward was the last person which was from sample 17 aka Desmond's DNA. Shay, Arno and Jacob & Evie are not ancestors of Desmond.

Starting with Unity, animus is replaced by helix which is a console connecting to helix cloud and can show memories of anyone to anyone else. Abstergo can collect memories from remenants like blood, bones etc. instead of just direct genetic memory of successors. Furthermore helix can handle 2 genetic memory stream efficiently, eliminating the need of two of them connecting in bloodlines. So there was no incest or 'twincest'. Put down your tinfoil hat.

Where do they say that? In Black Flag, you're working on Helix and they explicitly say that all of the memories under development are from a single "donor." (Desmond Miles.) Emails in AC4 say that Desmond had a notable ancestor involved in the french revolution, which seems like a clear reference to Arno from Unity, indicating that the post AC4 protagonists' memories are from his DNA as well.

In Black Flag we are in Sample 17 project.So it's desmods's ancestor.

[MnemonicSyntax]

Originally posted by Teiwaz:

Where do they say that? In Black Flag, you're working on Helix and they explicitly say that all of the memories under development are from a single "donor." (Desmond Miles.) Emails in AC4 say that Desmond had a notable ancestor involved in the french revolution, which seems like a clear reference to Arno from Unity, indicating that the post AC4 protagonists' memories are from his DNA as well.

And yet none of that has anything to do with being able to view and access the memory of others. By your original statement, since Desmond is ancestor of Edward, then in Black Flag Desmond is still alive, even though he's... not.

Nor are you playing as him.

[Teiwaz]

Originally posted by MnemonicSyntax:

And yet none of that has anything to do with being able to view and access the memory of others. By your original statement, since Desmond is ancestor of Edward, then in Black Flag Desmond is still alive, even though he's... not.

Nor are you playing as him.

In Black Flag, you're not using an Animus, you're using the Helix, which allows playback of other peoples' genetic memories. You still have to have access to a descendant's DNA to get access to those memories, just like the Animus. If Desmond is the source of the Frye memories - and there's no indicator he's not, and the sole source of Helix memories a few games back was said to be Desmond - then it means Desmond is a descendant of both POV characters.

[MnemonicSyntax]

Originally posted by Teiwaz:

Originally posted by MnemonicSyntax:

And yet none of that has anything to do with being able to view and access the memory of others. By your original statement, since Desmond is ancestor of Edward, then in Black Flag Desmond is still alive, even though he's... not.

Nor are you playing as him.

In Black Flag, you're not using an Animus, you're using the Helix, which allows playback of other peoples' genetic memories. You still have to have access to a descendant's DNA to get access to those memories, just like the Animus. If Desmond is the source of the Frye memories - and there's no indicator he's not, and the sole source of Helix memories a few games back was said to be Desmond - then it means Desmond is a descendant of both POV characters.

There's no indicator it is either.

I really think you're looking too much into this. Considering that in real life your predecessor's memories cannot be viewed using their DNA, what's to say there's not a carrier in the DNA that has a predisposition to their memories based on the genetic traits passed to the continual ancestor.

Basically, making it hereditary rather than genetic.

We've seen other emails in Abstergo point out other Assassin (and even Templar) predecessors that are not related to Desmond and what "Sample" they come from.

[gajrajgchouhan]

Originally posted by Teiwaz:

Originally posted by MnemonicSyntax:

And yet none of that has anything to do with being able to view and access the memory of others. By your original statement, since Desmond is ancestor of Edward, then in Black Flag Desmond is still alive, even though he's... not.

Nor are you playing as him.

In Black Flag, you're not using an Animus, you're using the Helix, which allows playback of other peoples' genetic memories. You still have to have access to a descendant's DNA to get access to those memories, just like the Animus. If Desmond is the source of the Frye memories - and there's no indicator he's not, and the sole source of Helix memories a few games back was said to be Desmond - then it means Desmond is a descendant of both POV characters.

In Black Flag we are using animus.In Unity,Chronicles,Syndicate,Rogue we use helix.

[Shouvanik]

Originally posted by gajrajgchouhan:

Originally posted by Teiwaz:

In Black Flag, you're not using an Animus, you're using the Helix, which allows playback of other peoples' genetic memories. You still have to have access to a descendant's DNA to get access to those memories, just like the Animus. If Desmond is the source of the Frye memories - and there's no indicator he's not, and the sole source of Helix memories a few games back was said to be Desmond - then it means Desmond is a descendant of both POV characters.

In Black Flag we are using animus.In Unity,Chronicles,Syndicate,Rogue we use helix.

It was animus omega. Kind of a hybrid device. Rogue uses that device too. It's used to view raw data before putting it up in helix server as a product. The data can be viewed by anyone, even who is not the successor of the protagonist, which is one of the characteristics of helix, or rather it's predecessor or prototype called Data dump scanner.

[LifelikeMovie58]

Wasn't there a database entry in ac syndicate that kinda soft confirmed that Desmond's son had relations to all the protagonists though, which would indicate Desmond is probably related to at least 1 of the Frye twins

[Joshua010403]

Originally posted by Shouvanik:

Originally posted by Teiwaz:

Where do they say that? In Black Flag, you're working on Helix and they explicitly say that all of the memories under development are from a single "donor." (Desmond Miles.) Emails in AC4 say that Desmond had a notable ancestor involved in the french revolution, which seems like a clear reference to Arno from Unity, indicating that the post AC4 protagonists' memories are from his DNA as well.

Nope, you are working on animus omega, which is a research and development machine for helix. That department's memories were from subject 17, not everyone's.

And that mentioned ancestor is not necessarily arno. There was no confirmation or anything.
Also according to acwiki, Arno is not an ancestor of Desmond along with Adewale, Shao Jun, Shay, Aveline, Jacob and Evie.
And as I already stated before, even for the sake of argument, if you consider at least one of them Desmond's ancestor, they don't need to do incest as abstergo can collect genetic memory from remenants, also their distant successors might interbred in recent years without knowing that they are related distantly, therefore creating a baby with both of Jacob and Evie's memory.

For the last part of about distant descendants of Jacob and Evie. They lived in late 1800s England, and Lydia (Jacob's granddaughter) is 25 at the en of ww1, so let's say 27 years per generation, the person who is related to both the frye twins is 5 generations down from them (born early 2000s). So it still quite a close relation. However for Brits it is not so much seeing that the Queen and Prince Philip (RIP) were 3rd cousins through Queen Victoria and 2nd cousins through King Christian the 6th of Denmark. And Queen Victoria and her husband were first cousins and 3rd cousins once removed. So yeah just another day in the British empire I suppose.