Wow Devs, This is Just Sad...

[Akane]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/956352087423935841/C66DB2638A29B3A9C3BCA32F36F094DCC7912C01/

I made a forum post last night that got heated in debate and many foul comments were thrown around from all sides. I was not surprised that it was taken down, but when I revamped the subject pointing out that we got to heated and to continue the subject with a nicer tone they still sent me a warning to try and take it down.

Is this what CrossCode is all about? If anyone doesn't love your game they don't have to right to voice that opinion just cause it's in the minority. I want the Devs to speak up on this issue because if this is what you have to resort to in order to make sure your game has the popular vote then I don't want to be any fan of yours.

[Seraphita]

Just so you know... A 'valve' employee closed your thread. You remade your thread still so you defied a lock made by valve themselves. Do you know how many threads you've spammed in the forum so far as well...? It's not even crosscode mod. It's VALVE employee literally. It's serious.

[Akane]

Originally posted by Zero:

Just so you know... A 'valve' employee closed your thread. You remade your thread still so you defied a lock made by valve themselves. Do you know how many threads you've spammed in the forum so far as well...? It's not even crosscode mod. It's VALVE employee literally. It's serious.

I am not "spamming" threads. I am making a lot of threads, yes, because I have a lot of opinions and I don't want to stack them onto one single thread. But if a mod is the one that closed down THAT forum because it got to heated, they wouldn't have any reason to close down a second one with it stating that a nicer tone needs to be taken unless the Devs literally sent them a complaint to take it down.

[Ernsteen]

Originally posted by Akane:

Is this what CrossCode is all about?

Don't we all dream of this? Working on a game for a few years so down the line we can have an active steam forum to terrorise the weak in?

[wervyn]

A Steam mod locked your topic, not one of the devs. However, you're drawing a LOT of negative moderator attention to yourself with a generally confrontaional attitude. You can consider this a public warning to tone it down. Having an opinionated discussion is not in itself an issue, but please take the effort to do so respectfully, and deescalate things when they start to drift to personal attacks.

This goes for everyone, I don't have a great deal of time to moderate here over the holiday season, and so if I have to respond to something it may end up being a little broad-brush. I'd like people to be able to discuss interesting topics peacefully, but I will have to start locking things if it's just going to be people yelling at each other over minute things.

[Akane]

Originally posted by wervyn:

A Steam mod locked your topic, not one of the devs. However, you're drawing a LOT of negative moderator attention to yourself with a generally confrontaional attitude. You can consider this a public warning to tone it down. Having an opinionated discussion is not in itself an issue, but please take the effort to do so respectfully, and deescalate things when they start to drift to personal attacks.

This goes for everyone, I don't have a great deal of time to moderate here over the holiday season, and so if I have to respond to something it may end up being a little broad-brush. I'd like people to be able to discuss interesting topics peacefully, but I will have to start locking things if it's just going to be people yelling at each other over minute things.

I literally reopened the topic saying at the end of the first paragraph for everyone to be less rude. I can't help it if a debate gets heated while I'm gone. All I can do is take a breather and say I got too heated last night and I need to tone it down, but if just having a controversal opinion is enough to get taken down then what, I'm not allowed to openly dislike parts of a game?

[Raff.run]

The thing is: you are the one being rude. Not "everyone". Let's look back at the class system thread. When a user replied and linked all the instances you were rude, you said everyone else was, but then all you could find was him saying "I don't agree with all your points, except maybe point 4".

How are you surprised your thread gets locked by a valve(not even radical fish, negating your point of "being silenced because having a controversial opinion") employee?

I mean, look at this -- and that was only from the class thread, I haven't even read the other ones:

Originally posted by Akane:

Originally posted by Cheeseness:

You're the one setting the tone here, champ. Everybody in this thread has been surprisingly polite toward you, and there are numerous examples of people engaging in good faith in spite of having reservations about your behaviour.

You yourself said my original post didn't have a strong enough argument to be even worth responding to, so polite, yet when I asked you to defend a particular point you just went silent. You guys WANT to defend the game yet time and time again your strongest points are just that its all an opinion or that since you guys particularly didn't bother to care then it most not be a problem. Subjectivity on subjectivity.

Now let's look at the comment you sarcastically said that was "so polite":

Originally posted by Cheeseness:

Originally posted by Akane:

Would you care to tell me why all of my arguments were so poor then?

No, not really. When I first read them, I didn't think they were worth responding to, and I still don't (beyond highlighting that they're just personal taste stuff - something I didn't think was worth making a post for on its own). I just don't like seeing people treat others like poo.

What's unpolite about saying "I don't agree with any of your points, but you're being rude and I don't want to argue at all"?


Not to mention the unecessary personal attacks you include in almost every post.
Examples (I would include only one, but they're pretty easy to find in a single page):

Originally posted by Akane:

It's just... your responses are so backwards in flaws I don't know how to get through to you. I genuinely don't know what to tell you even though I could sit down, highlight your sentences, tell you what's wrong with each of those retorts, and defend my own arguments, but I know you wouldn't take it to heart. This is so pointless but let me try again because you seem to care a lot about this...

This one is entirely uncessary. You can't even replace it with something else, because it doesn't convey any point.

Originally posted by Akane:

I'm not flipping out as much as you seem to think. I'm just saying they were poorly named, but the level of which I care about is about as much as which pillow I decide to sleep on tonight. I just keep having to talk about it over and over again with you and it's more frustrating to me that you don't seem to understand the issue with the naming. Would it help if I sent you a link explaining the different types of numerial prefixes or something? Would it help if I explained the importance of differentiating between 2D and 3D shapes? It's like, I don't know, I'm offended by you because I don't want aliens to come down, meet you first, and thinks the rest of humanity is this hard to present logic to.

This part is also unecessarily rude: it could easily be replaced with "The issue here is that you're saying the name spheromancer makes sense because spheres=circles, but what I want you to understand is that circles are 2D and spheres are 3D. They are not the same thing and also spheres represent no cardinal. This is why the name Spheromancer doesn't make sense.".
I don't agree with that point, but isn't it exactly what you're trying to say? Why not say it and ignore further replies if he still pushed the same points?

You also often tried to undermine others' arguments by telling them they're fanboys, basically. Some examples:

Originally posted by Akane:

The simple truth is that the class system of Crossworlds is lazy at best, and because it insults your favorite game to hear that you just don't want to accept regardless of any argument I put forth. I guess in this case my personal taste is for a concept to actually be thought out and interesting, compared to pointless and unoriginal. Under those pretenses then I'm fine with you calling my opinion biased, at the end of the day it just means I have higher tastes and I always strive for better games.

Originally posted by Akane:

Originally posted by overture with cannons:

Originally posted by Akane:

and the opinions of anyone who disagrees is based off of opinions like it's not flashy enough, rather than the fact that it's not thought out enough.

...you mean, just like you say the only reason for them to think like that is because they believe the devs can't make mistakes and they feel attacked by your opinions? Have you ever thought that they could, you know, actually think like that?

I hope you see the irony of your line of thought. You're doing the exact same thing you accuse them of, by acting based on prejudices.



heh yeah, but your own point relies on subjectivism since you seem to dislike the name Spheromancer itself and not only its lack of logic, so welp ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

*Ugggggggh*

You guys keep saying I am subjective, which of course I am to at least some degree because I'm human, but none of you have given me a strong enough argument to show me that the class system in CrossWorlds is actually thought out and at the end of the day the Sphereomancer class is the least interesting. That's what I'm getting at. You guys are clearly just mad I insulted your game, yet you can't form a proper defense without me being able to poke holes in it the next minute later. Is it really that hard to admit that the class system is lacking? I dare you to give me 5 things in CrossCodes you could have liked them to change or expand upon. Take a minute to show me where you think the game is lacking and if you can't then I've made my point.

Notice how you didn't say anything about his point that you're being rude and trying to undermine arguments, instead only replied to the last 2 lines of his comment AND tried to undermine another argument, besides just having being criticized for doing so.

[Akane]

What's unpolite about it is the fact that all of the fans are objectively saying my arguments are flawed or in this care "aren't even worth responding to" clearly because they just don't like the idea of CrossCode having any flaws. I may not have presented my points in the form of a detailed scientific report, but all of them had very real weight behind them. The only one that was half-wrong was the fact that it seemed classes didn't even have different skills, which at the beginning of the game they don't even though any MMORPG would set different classes out with a handful of class unique abilities even on the get go so what more could I expect? Anyway I'm getting off topic...

The bottom line is you guys don't like me because I'm the minority vote and you'd just love to stomp me out because that means CrossCode can go back to being perceived as perfect again. If no one is talking about the issues they must not be there, huh?

[Seraphita]

I felt no weight at all in your arguments, sorry. The fact I've managed to debunk them easily with you being unable to counter them speaks loud. You have the right to different opinions but you should stop trying to push them on us as if YOU were better than everybody and the devs...

[Akane]

Originally posted by Zero:

I felt no weight at all in your arguments, sorry. The fact I've managed to debunk them easily with you being unable to counter them speaks loud. You have the right to different opinions but you should stop trying to push them on us as if YOU were better than everybody and the devs...

Zero you've not debunked anything. You're literally just tried to counter my argument in the other thread by saying any evidence I present you is irrelevant. If I was on trial and you were my lawyer I'm pretty sure I'd be sent to prison before the jury even filled the stands cause you are so bad at making an argument. I don't want to get another forum taken down but you make it excedingly difficult with how hard it is to withstand your ignorance.

[Seraphita]

If we were on trial, you would be the disappointment of the courtroom. You NEVER had a single evidence against me. Forged evidence doesn't count, in case you didn't know. Oh hey, I'm the one who's ignorant but you weren't able to counter any of my arguments against you. Nice try.

You're trying too hard to look like you have a solid argument but I've shown you that you don't.

[Akane]

Originally posted by Zero:

If we were on trial, you would be the disappointment of the courtroom. You NEVER had a single evidence against me. Forged evidence doesn't count, in case you didn't know. Oh hey, I'm the one who's ignorant but you weren't able to counter any of my arguments against you. Nice try.

You're trying too hard to look like you have a solid argument but I've shown you that you don't.

It's not that I don't have evidence. I have evidence of many shortcomings of the game and the issue is merely when I present you them you simply close your eyes and pretend not to see them. You are too immature to have a logical debate with and you are literally dragging me down.

[Ernsteen]

If I try to win an argument against someone who is too full of themselves to just give up, what does that make me? :thinking:

[Akane]

Originally posted by Hooker Rotations:

If I try to win an argument against someone who is too full of themselves to just give up, what does that make me? :thinking:

I don't know, I know I should just ignore him but he just has some sort of gift that makes him so frustratingly hard to ignore with each response. I genuinely try to present him evidence when we have debates and he just ignores it each time then comes back later and act like he had some superior argument when in actuality he just has the vague majority vote that because CrossCode is so praised then no negative opinion on it deserves validation... It's just... frustrating...

[Seraphita]

It's frustrating because you know I'm right. You gave me NOTHING at all. I've shown you why your arguments are wrong and you claim that you've won against me? Are you serious? Do you even read yourself? You're trying to own me with nothing but trolling right now. You can't counter me.

The mod said that debates are fine but we should keep it "friendly" so why are you lowering yourself to pitiful comments instead of actually trying to prove my arguments wrong like I did?

[Akane]

Originally posted by Hooker Rotations:

If I try to win an argument against someone who is too full of themselves to just give up, what does that make me? :thinking:

"It's frustrating because you know I'm right. You gave me NOTHING at all. I've shown you why your arguments are wrong and you claim that you've won against me? Are you serious? Do you even read yourself? You're trying to own me with nothing but trolling right now. You can't counter me.

The mod said that debates are fine but we should keep it "friendly" so why are you lowering yourself to pitiful comments instead of actually trying to prove my arguments wrong like I did?"

Do you see what I have to deal with? It's like someone set him up on a pedastal when he was a baby and told him that he'd always be right so forming a proper argument would be needless. He walks around with the pride of a Harvard scholar yet the integrity of a pack mule. It's like poison man...