Dungeon race timers

[DYWYPI]

What are they? For the second dungeon, I literally made a save at the start of each room to give myself time to work out what do in the hopes that I wouldn't have to reload from the very start like I had to for the first dungeon, as well as skipping all the optional treasure chests, but nope, I still lost and now face having to redo the entire stupid thing to not be locked out of the trophy. It feels like the only way you can win is if you know more or less the exact path through from the beginning, and if you ever got lost or stuck or miss something and have to backtrack or explore for more than a few moments, there's no chance.

[Raff.run]

Originally posted by Krag:

Do you only have to beat Emilie through the first 4 dungeons?

Yes. I have the achievement but didn't do the Grand Krysxmzxzmxz yet.

[BROLY 32]

Originally posted by Dozell:

The achievments seem to be account based so it doesnt matter if you are late in the race. Just have a save before you entered the dungeon and come back to it after you have beaten the dungeon/ know what to expect (or whenever you feel like it.) The progress is saved regardless of the save file (at least that's how mine works.)

Does this mean I can beat her on 4 separate saves and in any dugeon order and get the achiev ?
Sounds neat.

[DYWYPI]

Originally posted by some taters:

GOTTA GET THOSE CHEEVOS DUDE, OTHERWISE YOUR SELF WORTH WILL FALL TOO LOW

Gotta tell everyone how you don't care about a certain aspect of the game and therefore nobody else should, otherwise your self worth will fall too low.

[Ythern]

So, if you want number, in short first part don't matter, if you beat it in less than 1h, you are second and Emilie Third, for the second part, if you do it in less than 1h, you are first. Source: Wiki. Sadly, I missed it by a minute, so gonna need to wait NG + to get it.

[Zeforas]

The hell are you talking about? Are there really an achievement for that?

I've beaten her in EVERY dungeon ( except the tutorial, of course. ) and i received nothing.

[burningmime]

There was/is a big where even if the game is paused (ie you're in a menu) it still ticks down time. So maybe that's what you ran into?

[LVL99]

From what I can tell after a bit of scouring the game's files, the race timer for each dungeon is saved in its final map file (where you would meet up with Emilie). Specifically, that would be the following files: (spoiler tags in case you don't want to know how many dungeons there are)


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CrossCode\assets\data\maps\cold-dng\g\shade-room.json (Temple Mine) --> 90 minutes
CrossCode\assets\data\maps\heat\dng-top.json (Faj'ro Temple) --> 50 minutes
CrossCode\assets\data\maps\jungle\dng\shock-exterior-end.json (Zir'vitar Temple) --> 60 minutes
CrossCode\assets\data\maps\jungle\dng\wave-exterior-end.json (So'najiz Temple) --> 60 minutes
CrossCode\assets\data\maps\jungle\dng\tree-expo-space.json (Grand Krys'kajo) --> 30 minutes
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I have the game on GOG, but I think the file structure should be the same on Steam. Search for the following string in these files:

{"changeType":"set","type":"CHANGE_VAR_NUMBER","varName":"tmp.time","value":XX}

with "XX" being the value for the race timer in minutes (actually seconds, but the value is always multiplied by 60 in the following instruction). Shortly afterwards, you will see a condition increasing the variable "plot.race.leaWins", which keeps track of the amount of times you've won against Emilie.

You can use this online editor[jsoneditoronline.org] to make the JSON code a little bit easier to read, otherwise the whole file is displayed as a single line of text.

I tested this with one save file where I would normally lose the race. If I change the dungeon's timer variable to something like 10 hours in a text editor, I'd still win the race when entering the final map. So in case you don't agree with the timers set by the developers, you can freely change them yourselves.

I don't know whether the timer ticks down in the menu or during cutscenes.

[BROLY 32]

Do you need to beat her every time on the same save to get the trophy ?

[Dark Thoughts]

Originally posted by SUPER BROLY 32:

Do you need to beat her every time on the same save to get the trophy ?

Only for the four main temples.
The tree doesn't seem to be included in the trophy itself, but you can win the race there as well (30 minutes is really tight though).

[LVL99]

Originally posted by SUPER BROLY 32:

Do you need to beat her every time on the same save to get the trophy ?

You do, if I'm reading the code correctly. The file "CrossCode\assets\data\database.json" lists the condition for the "At the Speed of Sound" trophy as follows:

"condition": "plot.race.leaWins >= 4"

So it seems you need to beat any 4 of the 5 dungeons, since all of them increase the leaWins variable by one.

[lachsen]

Mind that the 30 time of the Faj'ro Tree and the 50 minutes of the Grand Krys'kajo only include the "second half" of the dungeon. Note that you meet the party at the balcony. So your performance only counts for the second half pretty much.

[Dark Thoughts]

Originally posted by lachsen:

Mind that the 30 time of the Faj'ro Tree and the 50 minutes of the Grand Krys'kajo only include the "second half" of the dungeon. Note that you meet the party at the balcony. So your performance only counts for the second half pretty much.

And the boss which is somewhat longer, especially when you're not aware of the guard break of the ape (which I completely forgot from my first playthrough in EA).

[MrUnbecoming]

Originally posted by lachsen:

Mind that the 30 time of the Faj'ro Tree and the 50 minutes of the Grand Krys'kajo only include the "second half" of the dungeon. Note that you meet the party at the balcony. So your performance only counts for the second half pretty much.

What about if you're paused? Now that there's a dev in the conversation, that's probably something we'd all want to know. I frequently pause the game during dungeons, so I am curious if that still counts down the timer.

[onyxgayan]

I can give you a hint,. When the game loses focus, the timer stops. So, you can ALT+TAB to some little window and still see the game's window. This will be useful to solve the puzzle, if you dont want timer to go

[MrUnbecoming]

Originally posted by onyxgayan:

I can give you a hint,. When the game loses focus, the timer stops. So, you can ALT+TAB to some little window and still see the game's window. This will be useful to solve the puzzle, if you dont want timer to go

well if I ever pause the game, it's not to cheat on puzzles haha. It's usually to get a drink, go to the restroom, or reply to a message or something. If the timer stops when you alt-tab too, that's good.